Need hook help :(

[billf]

That is probably the best way to go. 1 step drill fixes a lot of stuff.

[rab91787]

May have just made a breakthrough! I know I can release correctly with thumb when I take mini backswing and practice at home, but that's because my hands cupped and under ball at release too. I can never get under my ball during the downswing when I try a full swing, but I think that may be because I'm staying too upright. When I stay too tall I think I'm depending solely on my wrist to get under the ball which is damn near impossible, but I tried a couple swings and just really dropped my right shoulder to get under the ball and was able to do it! I'm going to stop by the alley and test it out one game after work tomorrow.

[billf]

Congrats! That's the whole point to Joe Slowinski's DYDS campaign (drop your damn shoulder). Sorry, I should have asked if you were staying under the ball. Too upright killed me the last two nights.

[rab91787]

Well I tried getting under the ball like I could on mini swings and once again I wasn't able to replicate it. BUT it wasn't a complete failure. By dropping shoulder and getting low I was still getting a moderate hook due to a visible increase in revs, so that's a minor success! I was able to play a Walter Ray type line at 19mph and was getting a lot of carry. I struck the first four and when I hit light in the 5th, I experimented for more hook a few more frames to no success. I went back to the right side at the end and still ended up with 197. I really do want to figure out how to play from the left, though, on a PDW type line.

[Tampabaybob]

As much as I greatly value Joe Slowinskis advice and knowledge, this article was written in 1996. Now, a lot of things have changed during these 16 years, through lots of trial and error, not to mention all the changes that have taken place in balls and lane oils.

The process he's demonstrating is what's called suitcasing the ball. Basically doing little or nothing as far as a wrist rotation or a finger lifting motion. this would have been taught in the eighties and early 90's but not in todays world of aggressive balls.

Bob

[Tampabaybob]

Watch these two videos I think they'll help explain some of your questions.

SloMo 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00q9veGknzg
SloMo 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIyiDCcbhs4

Bob

[rab91787]

I've seen just about every bowling release video on youtube. I love how Rhino Page can keep a cupped wrist the entire downswing. If I could do that I would be fine. I don't know if it's just a strength issue or a technique issue. I really don't want to spend 70 dollars to get a cupping brace, either.

[Tampabaybob]

I would not start by cupping. Try to leave your wrist straight, (meaning not bending your wrist backwards), thumb at 2:00, fingers at 8:00, and as the ball passes your leg, turn the hell out of your wrist.

Bob

[rab91787]

Will that allow me to play from inside to the outside part of the lane? I will add that to my to-do list when I do the 3 hour practice special on Sunday lol

[billf]

Another thing, if you're throwing it 19mph, that's not PDW style. There is a reason he has one of the slowest, if not the slowest, ball speeds on tour and it isn't his age. To play the inside part of the lane you need to be rev dominate. As hard as Tommy Jones throws the ball, he is still rev dominate.
Also, there is nothing wrong with playing the outside line with speed and power. If that line is good enough for WRW Jr then it's sure as hell good enough for me.