Need hook help :(

[bowl1820]

Here's my grip


According to the chart, my ideal reverse pitch would be 1/8?

If your asking is that (1/8) correct, we'd need the thumb angle you determined and your actual span (Doe's the sheet show actual span or cut to cut span).

Will that be your ideal pitch? It's a starting point. It might be perfect or it may need to be adjusted, each person's flexibility is different.

[AngeloPD]

I believe the sheet shows the cut to cut span

[bowl1820]

I believe the sheet shows the cut to cut span

Okay and what was your thumb Angle?

Also I see your using powlerlifts, are you using the flat side or the oval?

[rab91787]

Rather than thinking about rotation and clock positions and all that, I think next time I practice with thumb I'm going to try only this until I get it working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCdMhD9jTko


Releasing the ball like an underhand spiral with thumb at 1 o clock position should give a decent hook, right? If I know that and ONLY try that then I'll know when I get it.

[bowl1820]

Rather than thinking about rotation and clock positions and all that, I think next time I practice with thumb I'm going to try only this until I get it working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCdMhD9jTko


Releasing the ball like an underhand spiral with thumb at 1 o clock position should give a decent hook, right? If I know that and ONLY try that then I'll know when I get it.

The Football drill is a widely used method for getting the hand motion your looking for. Just be careful not to come over the top of the ball, this can cause you to throw the elbow out.

There is a newer drill using a softball that works also, but eliminates the possible elbow movement. Don't have a video yet to post yet of it.

[rab91787]

Cool. So if I practice ONLY this motion and maintain thumb angle at about 1 o clock, should I be looking to achieve a hook of maybe straight down first arrow and into 1-3? Or more or less? I have no idea how much hook I should get when I actually release it properly with thumb, so a general idea would be good so I know when I actually do it correctly.

[bowl1820]

Cool. So if I practice ONLY this motion and maintain thumb angle at about 1 o clock, should I be looking to achieve a hook of maybe straight down first arrow and into 1-3? Or more or less? I have no idea how much hook I should get when I actually release it properly with thumb, so a general idea would be good so I know when I actually do it correctly.

There's too many variables to say just how much hook you'd get. Simplest thing is to try it and see how it compares to what you did before.

[AngeloPD]

Okay and what was your thumb Angle?

Also I see your using powlerlifts, are you using the flat side or the oval?

i have the flat side, and i dont know my thumb angle

[bowl1820]

i have the flat side, and i dont know my thumb angle

Since you don't know your thumb angle, that means you didn't do other steps to find the pitchs correctly in the first place. So that means 1/8 reverse isn't right.

Go back to the other posts with the links and do the fitting guide to find your thumb angle.

As for the Powerlifts since your using the flat side. this would throw off the your finger pitchs.

Your drill sheet shows you have a 1/8 reverse pitch on the fingerholes.

But by using the powerlifts they add 1/4 forward pitch, so that put's your fingers pitch around a 1/8 forward.

That can throw off your grip and release and can change the roll on the ball.

If you were originally measured for a 1/8 reverse fingers, why did you go to the power lifts?

[AngeloPD]

Since you don't know your thumb angle, that means you didn't do other steps to find the pitchs correctly in the first place. So that means 1/8 reverse isn't right.

Go back to the other posts with the links and do the fitting guide to find your thumb angle.

As for the Powerlifts since your using the flat side. this would throw off the your finger pitchs.

Your drill sheet shows you have a 1/8 reverse pitch on the fingerholes.

But by using the powerlifts they add 1/4 forward pitch, so that put's your fingers pitch around a 1/8 forward.

That can throw off your grip and release and can change the roll on the ball.

If you were originally measured for a 1/8 reverse fingers, why did you go to the power lifts?

i went with power lifts because thats what i had when i started bowling 9 years ago, then after 2 years of bowling i stopped for almost 7 years then got back to bowling again.