Weaker ball

[martinezsam2495]

Your ball is not losing revs from fighting against the oil. What is happening is that its getting into the dry too early when you miss outside. Being a house shot, the ball still makes it back to the pocket, but with little energy left

With Revs, I was referring to a loss of speed and power

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Hammer Nail

[J Anderson]

With Revs, I was referring to a loss of speed and power

You're not going to lose speed and power from the oil,

[martinezsam2495]

You're not going to lose speed and power from the oil,

I say you do, if the ball is going in weak.

[billf]

Forget it John. One thing I have learned here, the low average, untrained, non-certified in anything bowlers know more than those that have bothered to get the training, take a physics class or pay attention.

[billf]

Sam, first you said the ball loses revs fighting the oil. Then you back tracked and said you were referring to speed and power. Umm, oil is a lubricant and conditioner and therefor unless your ball in going in excess of 10,000 rpms it can not and will not slow the ball down. It's basic science and why oil is used as the base product in all lubricants. What slows the ball down is the sudden grab after the oil. On a properly thrown ball the ball maintains speed through the skid phase, slows at the beginning of the hook phase where it then begins to unload the stored energy, picks up speed albeit in the direction of rotation and then goes into the roll phase where it should slightly speed up more and drive through the pocket.

I understand that with your vast knowledge of physics and dynamic bowling knowledge you may choose to disagree with me as you did John. You would be wrong. As with the rest of the human race, it wouldn't be the first time nor the last. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'm willing to entertain the idea that what you're thinking and typing just are not quit meshing together.

[Keithalw]

well okay then bill lol...

[J Anderson]

Forget it John. One thing I have learned here, the low average, untrained, non-certified in anything bowlers know more than those that have bothered to get the training, take a physics class or pay attention.

I thought about replying but I figured that Sam has made up his mind and isn't going to change it.

I learned not to argue with stubborn people 30 years ago. I had a boss who first reaction was to reject any suggestion from any employee, even or perhaps especially his own brother. If you tried to argue your point he'd just get mad. What I found out was that if I made a suggestion and accepted the rejection, a day or so later it might come back as his idea, at which point we would all nod and say great idea Ralph, we'll give it a try.

[billf]

well okay then bill lol...

I may have been a bit harsh. In truth, we all have lapses of stupidity where for some reason common sense and the ability to listen to reason escape us. To make an incorrect statement isn't an issue. To disagree when that incorrect statement is pointed out isn't just stubborn but borderline stupid. Ignorant is when someone doesn't know any better and that's not only acceptable but why so many people are here to help. We all started at the beginner level and were also ignorant. We share our knowledge to give back to the sport we love to hopefully help others enjoy it as much as we do. To post to help is great as is asking legitimate questions.
What a bowler averages really doesn't have anything to do with their knowledge base. If it did, all the pros would be coaches. Many people would be surprised to find out how little some of the pros know about the technique required or about the balls they use. They are naturals you don't really know how they generate so many revs or why they seem to always hit their mark. While others will know how it's suppose to be done yet never be able to actually perform the functions at an intermediate or elite level. The same can be said for some of the high average bowlers in any center. As a beginner and early intermediate player I would ask the higher average players questions and for help. These are the same people I bowl with now on a consistent basis and yes, even coach when they are struggling with a specific item. Their answers are still the same; I don't know. They still can't explain how they release the ball, generate revs or for some, even what they target.

[billf]

Keith, have you made a decision yet?