Trying to get axis rotation, rotating fingers around ball?

[Zothen]

Your hand should be around 5 or 6 o'clock and when you release the ball,your index finger should be around 3 o'clock and when finished index should be by your ear which is 12 o'clock. Basically your turning your hand 1/4 up not half way. 1/4 up will give you your side rotation if done right. If the ball goes end over end,you did'nt put any lift on the ball.

Zothen

[rab91787]

Ok I can kind of see that in the PDW release video (the only one I've found even tho his release is so smooth and effective).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlATUjFf1QA

Is it necessary to go from the inside to the ball and then to the outside before u do the finger rotation? He seems to make the change so early that I don't see how it would help add revs other than just get his hand into position to turn. It looks like he takes his fingers in the path you described but not until getting his hand on the right side of the ball.

[bowl1820]

Maybe this can help, several pic of the release here:

Click for The Bowler’s Release

Click for LEARNING NEW RELEASES (part 1)

part 2

part 3

part 4


The black arrow shows the path the fingers will take as the release takes place.

[billf]

Here is a video of Sean Rash and Ronnie Russel in slow motion. They both play the inside part of the ball. The motion starts on the downswing due to how fast the swing is.

[AngeloPD]

Thanks bowl1820 and Bill! i will try these next time i practice

[Ball99999]

Just an update on my *new* unifying hypothesis on what is wrong with my game (low ball speed, no axis rotation, difficulty turning the ball) is that I have been very very late on the ball as well as hitting up on the ball. Ron Clifton had a tip of creating a landing zone. I notice some people can launch their ball silently while mine hits with a thud. I think that might be causing a lot of problem. If I think about it, if I launch the ball when it's traveling up, it still has momentum of wanting to go up as well as forward and I think that could be cutting off a lot of ball speed.

[Ball99999]

Also to consider, when I started a year ago and learned "how to hook" I had this idea in my head I had to spin the ball, and I WOULD turn the ball as if I was turning a door knob. People pointed out that my hand was on top of the ball and came around so much that it was just spinning like a top so I specifically trained myself not to do that. Maybe that's what I've been fighting this whole time.

Now that I realize I need to turn my forearm I might be on the verge of a breakthrough.

What I'll do now is hopefully create a good flat spot, uncup by my hips whilst rotating my forearm and then letting my fingertips do the last bit of push off.

I might even over do it and then back off from that point, at least I'd have some side rotation.

[Zothen]

Ball9999-Do this excersize at home! Make sure you have large area in house where you can roll a ball. Get on your knees,hold back of hand on floor with ball in palm of hand and do a simulated ball release by moving arm forward while bring your hand up to a handshake postion and ending movement by your ear. If you do it right you will see that the ball will have a side roll to it. Do that about 20-30 times every couple hours to build up muscle memory,then go to the lanes and see if that helped.

Zothen

[Tampabaybob]

You can watch a hundred videos and try to emulate them but it's still hard just to be able to execute it when you get out there and try it. Remember these pros will sometimes shoot a hundred games a week and that's what it takes to be able to repeat the same motion over and over and over during a high pressure tournament,

Just looked at PDW's slo mo video and I love the way he finishes with his follow thru. I'd love to be able to copy that myself. Heres another link, this one of Chris Barnes, probably my second best release perfectionist. Try and stop it at 14 secs an between 16 and 18 secs. Notice she his fingers are in relation to his thumb and then notice his thumb "always" is facing up straight and facing straight back. ALL of the rotation is done with his wrist and finger motion. A great style to emulate.

Bob

[billf]

Ummm, Bob, it appears you forgot the video link.

I love Barnes' game. Don't know him but have heard good and bad about his personality.