Chris Barnes in my alley right now

[billf]

Most pros have their own coaches. Most bowlers would benefit from coaching at least some of the time, like once a month or so. What gets me is people thinking I paid over $700 to get certified to video record, analyze, give drills, etc all for free. My rates are cheap ($25 for 90 minutes includes video analysis) if I'm making a special trip. If I'm there practicing and you just want 15-20 minutes of my time, a large mountain dew ($2.50) will suffice. It's usually the people that have known me the longest that expect the most for nothing.

[Davec13]

I wouldn't bat an eyelash to get one on one with a coach for $25 for over an hour. That seems like more than reasonable. $200 to share time with a group getting coaching from a pro that seems way to excessive to me. The pro shop pro at the one local lane will give you 3 free games of coaching if you buy a new ball. While he may not be a television PBA bowler he still knows what he's talking about and you get a new ball out of the deal for around the same price. I guess it's the celebrity factor that increases prices, but with a sport that has limited exposure you would think the price would be in line with say a movie to get more people interested.

[billf]

Most of those seminars also include the lineage fees, rental of the meeting room, food and drink plus handouts, etc. In the end Chris Barnes probably made a flat fee for his services and whoever sponsored the even pocketed the profits.
I attended a seminar in March put on by mybowlingcoach.com with Gold coach Ron Hatfield and Silver coach Andy Parker. The cost was $95 and included all listed above. Usually attendance is 40 people. We had something like 10. Not exactly enough to even cover Ron's airfare.
Personally, I would rather a coach help me over a pro. Most pro's have the natural ability while those who don't coach and understand how hard it is to change stuff and how much harder we have to work for minimal results. A guy like Chris Barnes could bowl against me with a grapefruit and still kick my butt.

[chrono00]

Personally, I would rather a coach help me over a pro. Most pro's have the natural ability while those who don't coach and understand how hard it is to change stuff and how much harder we have to work for minimal results. A guy like Chris Barnes could bowl against me with a grapefruit and still kick my butt.

this. if your notice in most major sports it's the average player turned coach that has way more success (as a coach) than the superstar. hockey. gretzky coaches the coyotes...more or less does nothing for them. peter lavliolette played I think it was 12 pro games in his career, won a cup with carolina, and is largely considered one of the better coaches in hockey.

when you have all the talent in the world. (lets say gretzky, or barnes for bowling), you don't always know how to convey the skill to others because it comes so naturally to you. this is why the better coaches in most sports tend to be amateurs or average at best pros. they had to understand the game and work very hard just to be that good, as opposed to being a natural phenom and just picking it up and being able to do it

[billf]

Exactly. I didn't play a down of football until my sophomore year in high school. It came naturally to me. Yes, I had to memorize the rules and plays but being able to use my size, strength, agility and speed came easy. My senior year I worked out for several colleges and at 268lbs ran a 4.35 40 yard time. Not bad for a defensive end I singed a letter of intent but a torn ACL cost me my scholarship
My point is, I may have been a 3 time high school all american but couldn't teach squat to another player. It was all instincts and reflexes. Name the greatest coach in any sport. Most never even played professionally at any level.

[chrono00]

. Name the greatest coach in any sport. Most never even played professionally at any level.

that's my point exactly! you don't need to be the best to understand the sport


I play in a pool leauge. your ranks in league go from 2-7 in an 8 ball league. my rank is a 3. i could be better if i played/practiced more i think.

but i'm also probably the only 3 in our league that can watch a 5-7 rank shooter play, and call the next 5 shots they will take as they area going up to the table.

I can see what is on the table/ what you should do with it. but i'm not quite up to that level as far as execution is concerned. but just knowing those shots makes me a better shooter than most that are ranked at my level.

[AngeloPD]

Most of those seminars also include the lineage fees, rental of the meeting room, food and drink plus handouts, etc. In the end Chris Barnes probably made a flat fee for his services and whoever sponsored the even pocketed the profits.
I attended a seminar in March put on by mybowlingcoach.com with Gold coach Ron Hatfield and Silver coach Andy Parker. The cost was $95 and included all listed above. Usually attendance is 40 people. We had something like 10. Not exactly enough to even cover Ron's airfare.
Personally, I would rather a coach help me over a pro. Most pro's have the natural ability while those who don't coach and understand how hard it is to change stuff and how much harder we have to work for minimal results. A guy like Chris Barnes could bowl against me with a grapefruit and still kick my butt.

The pro shop owner hosted the event and he was offered to get $10 each person but he just let his fiance joined the group instead of getting $130 from Chris Barnes and Baker

[J Anderson]

Most pros have their own coaches. Most bowlers would benefit from coaching at least some of the time, like once a month or so. What gets me is people thinking I paid over $700 to get certified to video record, analyze, give drills, etc all for free. My rates are cheap ($25 for 90 minutes includes video analysis) if I'm making a special trip. If I'm there practicing and you just want 15-20 minutes of my time, a large mountain dew ($2.50) will suffice. It's usually the people that have known me the longest that expect the most for nothing.

Friends and business make a hard mix to handle some times. I used to work for a contractor who customized motorcycles as a hobby. When offered him 33K for his latest bike back in 1995, he figured he would customize bikes as a business. Unfortunately most of his customers were his biker friends and probably a third of them thought he should be doing the work on their bikes at cost because they were his "friends".

[got_a_300]

I take it from the comments that certain people on here are over 200 average bowlers and don't need help with their game. Some of us here do need guidence,so if a pro bowler offers his services,I will take it in hopes it makes me like you guys,a 200+ average bowler.

Zothen

I'm no 200 average bowler now days but back about 12 or more years ago I was
well over a 200 average bowler back in the good old days I even bowled some on
the Southern Regional PBA Tour.

Now days I'm around a 190+ average bowler since I just started back last fall after
a 12+ year layoff from bowling because of back issues. I started out last fall with a
very low average of something like 122 or less but with hard work and practice I've
made it back up into the 190+ range again. Now if my old arthritic knees and my back
will just hold up maybe I can someday get back to where I once was in bowling.

I remember and know what to do and all as I used to help out in our center with bowling
instructing but now I just have to hope this old body especially my knees will hold out for
a few more years before I have to give up bowling for good then I guess I can be one of
those do as I say not as I do type of bowling instructors/helpers.