Lol now my ball speed is too high.

[AngeloPD]

each to their own, but its proven that hinge improves accuracy and timing. i used to do the push away before i joined this forum. after reading a couple articles about the hinge method, i decided to try it during practice and now my avg went up and keeps going up. some people prefer the hinge or push away, like i said, each to their own.

[Ball99999]

each to their own, but its proven that hinge improves accuracy and timing. i used to do the push away before i joined this forum. after reading a couple articles about the hinge method, i decided to try it during practice and now my avg went up and keeps going up. some people prefer the hinge or push away, like i said, each to their own.

Exactly. I just hate the attitude that it's so awful to do the push away and no one does a push away..

[75lockwood]

Exactly. I just hate the attitude that it's so awful to do the push away and no one does a push away..

Like i said, i don't think anyone was trying to say the push away is completely wrong and stupid, simply that is has been found to be the more effective style.

[Ball99999]

Like i said, i don't think anyone was trying to say the push away is completely wrong and stupid, simply that is has been found to be the more effective style.

No, billf has specifically stated as much. That the push away is completely wrong and he doesn't want to see anyone talking about how they use it.
Then he says go to a coach when coaches have told me to use a push away. I don't know, it just seems like if he wants to give advice he has to accept that not everyone has to take it and not everyone is dumb to not understand why they aren't taking the advice. Saying something is incorrect and getting pissy when I say it isn't, and that it's different for different people, suggests he wants everyone to know that ONLY THE HINGE is the right way so to do something that is incorrect for the hinge or for a certain comfort level of feet speed is incorrect for everything.

I hate it when I or others will ask for advice (and not just about bowling it could be about a car) and then when they get advice but choose, not arbitrarily, to ignore it, that the offerers get mad. It's appreciated that advice is given but don't get mad if it's not taken. Maybe if I was say 6 feet tall it would be different. Or have longer arms.

[75lockwood]

No, billf has specifically stated as much. That the push away is completely wrong and he doesn't want to see anyone talking about how they use it.
Then he says go to a coach when coaches have told me to use a push away. I don't know, it just seems like if he wants to give advice he has to accept that not everyone has to take it and not everyone is dumb to not understand why they aren't taking the advice. Saying something is incorrect and getting pissy when I say it isn't, and that it's different for different people, suggests he wants everyone to know that ONLY THE HINGE is the right way so to do something that is incorrect for the hinge or for a certain comfort level of feet speed is incorrect for everything.

I hate it when I or others will ask for advice (and not just about bowling it could be about a car) and then when they get advice but choose, not arbitrarily, to ignore it, that the offerers get mad. It's appreciated that advice is given but don't get mad if it's not taken. Maybe if I was say 6 feet tall it would be different. Or have longer arms.

To be honest, i think this had more to do with that he was getting annoyed at this point, on more than one occasion you did say his advice was wrong (regardless of what you meant that's how it came off), take it from bill's prospective, he is here offering his time to help all of us improve, and on more than one occasion his advice has been responded to with less than appreciation, can you see how this might get annoying? if you disagree with something that's fine but then simply don't take the advice.


Keep calm and bowl on

[Ball99999]

To be honest, i think this had more to do with that he was getting annoyed at this point, on more than one occasion you did say his advice was wrong (regardless of what you meant that's how it came off), take it from bill's prospective, he is here offering his time to help all of us improve, and on more than one occasion his advice has been responded to with less than appreciation, can you see how this might get annoying? if you disagree with something that's fine but then simply don't take the advice.


Keep calm and bowl on

Like I said, if he wants to offer advice, it's not very polite to say well if you don't take my advice I'm taking my advice and going home.
He can get annoyed if that's how he handles criticism. I just don't get why he hasn't stopped giving me advice and just give it to others. I'm still happy to take advice from others.

[75lockwood]

Like I said, if he wants to offer advice, it's not very polite to say well if you don't take my advice I'm taking my advice and going home.
He can get annoyed if that's how he handles criticism.

Please knock it off, if the roles were reversed can you honestly say you would do differently? Bill Takes Criticism fine, but given that he paid to learn the correct ways, when his advice is met with flat disagreement it can be irritating.

Let us move on to a new topic, shall we?

[Ball99999]

Please knock it off, if the roles were reversed can you honestly say you would do differently? Bill Takes Criticism fine, but given that he paid to learn the correct ways, when his advice is met with flat disagreement it can be irritating.

Let us move on to a new topic, shall we?

YES I would do it differently.

If someone tells me "well that's not how it is for me, or what I prefer" I wouldn't say NO IT'S INCORRECT and since you won't take my advice I'm leaving.

And that's just it, oh, so he paid to learn the "correct ways" (which is an odd thing to say), only his advice should be taken. It's insulting. The way he gets annoyed is by insinuating that I'm a 14 year old who can't even tie his own bowling shoes so I'd have no idea about bowling technique.

[Ball99999]

And just to recap, what I said:

It's not incorrect it's just that it's different for different people. I wonder if people starting the ball earlier are pushing the armswing back with their arm?
Anyway when I start higher it goes faster, start lower it goes slower.

What he said

"It is incorrect. If done correctly. But as usual there are three certified coaches on this site that have stated the same thing yet it's the novice bowlers that keep saying we are wrong. Evidently instead of wasting our time and money learning the SCIENCE behind the bowling and bowler we should have just asked people without a clue. "

NOT mature.

[75lockwood]

And just to recap, what I said:





What he said

"It is incorrect. If done correctly. But as usual there are three certified coaches on this site that have stated the same thing yet it's the novice bowlers that keep saying we are wrong. Evidently instead of wasting our time and money learning the SCIENCE behind the bowling and bowler we should have just asked people without a clue. "

NOT mature.

Look, i agree that Bill could have handled that a bit better, but we're all human, from the sound's of things, bill has been trying to help you for longer than i have been on the site, and last night he finally got annoyed.

Now, what are you doing? publicly insulting someone calling them immature after they spent so much time trying to help you. how is this mature?

It's over, let us be done with it.