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    This is why USBC changed their whole coaching curriculum a few years back. They recognized that there is no "perfect" style for someone to use, no "template" that you have to force every bowler into to improve their game.

    In both the Bronze and Silver seminars they taught coaches to identify an item of concern and then watch and see if it is a liability or an asset. For some bowlers, a push away may be a liability, for some it is an asset. You have to be familiar with the bowler's game to know for sure. And if they try it the other way and it becomes a liability, you can go back and keep it the same or try something else.

    I have had good coaches tell me I need to relax my arm on the downswing. This didn't really help me as I thought I was relaxing as much as possible. I go to another coach and he teaches me three or four things that help me improve my angles and guess what happens as a result? My swing becomes looser and more relaxed. Sometimes when a coach sees an item of concern, they think they are helping the bowler fix it by making a certain change, but it can be detrimental if that bowler doesn't understand, or can't make those changes. A coach has to connect to the bowler and teach them in a way that makes sense to them. One bowler may make a change and it helps them, the next bowler makes the same change and it hurts them.

    Every bowler is different and different things will work. Look at the two handed movement as a great example.
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    For those who read the posts in order the comment I said was incorrect wasn't the push away (which I don't prefer) but rather the ball higher for faster speed, lower for slower speed.
    If the ball is lower it will travel less distance. If the arm swing is at the same speed then to have the correct timing at the end the feet have to move faster. Why have so many coaches and the USBC decided to teach this method, backed by science, over the previous method that was used since the beginning of bowling? Most human beings, when they increase the arm speed (has to happen with the arm higher, longer swing in same time) lose accuracy. With speeding up the legs and keeping the arm speed the same as before, it is exponentially easier to hit the desired target.
    Just because you like a style doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best style to suit you and improve your game. I wish I could bowl like Norm Duke or Walter Ray Williams Jr. (don't we all?) but they are part of the 1% of the bowling population that has that kind of ability.
    As for the comment (don't remember who posted it) that most pros don't use the hinge method, I can't think of one under 40 years old that doesn't use it. Plus remember, most pros have been bowling for at least 20 years (most started around 4) so even if they wanted to use it, they would have to retrain themselves. Why do you guys think there are so many younger winners the past few years? It use to be that you hit your bowling prime in your mid-thirties, now it's mid-twenties. Not only do coaches have to be flexible with styles so doesn't the bowler if they want to truly improve their game. If I could show you one thing that would raise your average 50 pins but you couldn't bowl like Norm Duke, wouldn't you do it? I betcha Norm can do it already but doesn't have to.
    Did I get upset that you said once again that I was wrong? Sure did. You said the same thing months ago when you first posted wanting more speed and I said you needed to free up your swing. You said I was wrong, your swing is a free arm swing. Then months later, whoa, you felt a freer swing. Is it totally free? No. How can I say that? Because even the tops pros are not completely free but damn close. When you posted awhile ago about getting more revs I made a suggestion about hand positions. You said I was wrong, it doesn't work. Bob made the same suggestion two pages later and you replied how much better your ball moved. So yes, your inconsistency is annoying to be blunt. Why do I keep trying to help you? Because one day something will click, the light bulb will go off and all these posts will finally be able to help you. Just because you sometimes get on my nerves doesn't mean I don't want to see you bowl better.
    I would bet that you are the type of person that learns easier from seeing something done. That's not a problem as a lot of people are that way it just makes it harder to do with words. If I lived closer I would take a road trip and show you everything I've been trying to get into your head including how to play the inside part of the ball.
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    Very well said bill. about getting inside the ball, is it the position how you throw a back up ball? so for a better release, you need to cock/cup and get inside the ball right?

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    I've tried explaining it before and I guess it didn't translate well. I showed Derrick last week and we taped it. I will see when he plans on posting it. I have video (here and on my laptop) of his previous release and captured some good video of his new release. It was the first time he really got any side roll and he didn't change anything but his set up position.
    Derrick and I have been friends for years but we are both stubborn so I thought showing him would be tough. Turned out he was the easiest person I've coached on anything so far. He listened intently and within two throws had it down. We spent the next hour taping and letting him get comfortable with it. I will see him in the morning. His son, my Godson bowls in the youth league (at age 6!) so if he isn't ready to post it I will try to make a recording of how to do it before my league tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billf View Post
    I've tried explaining it before and I guess it didn't translate well. I showed Derrick last week and we taped it. I will see when he plans on posting it. I have video (here and on my laptop) of his previous release and captured some good video of his new release. It was the first time he really got any side roll and he didn't change anything but his set up position.
    Derrick and I have been friends for years but we are both stubborn so I thought showing him would be tough. Turned out he was the easiest person I've coached on anything so far. He listened intently and within two throws had it down. We spent the next hour taping and letting him get comfortable with it. I will see him in the morning. His son, my Godson bowls in the youth league (at age 6!) so if he isn't ready to post it I will try to make a recording of how to do it before my league tomorrow.
    yes, please post a video.

    is it like this one?

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    Exactly like that video. I didn't think Joe had a video I hadn't seen before.
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    Dumb question. Who is Joe Slowinski? 2nd I am going to try that dril, it looks like it can be effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_jd View Post
    Dumb question. Who is Joe Slowinski? 2nd I am going to try that dril, it looks like it can be effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_jd View Post
    Dumb question. Who is Joe Slowinski? 2nd I am going to try that dril, it looks like it can be effective.
    Joe Slowinski, Gold Certified USBC coach. www.bowlingknowledge.info is his website and includes a bio that way I can't accidentally recall any of his accolades incorrectly.
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