Still confused on how to turn the ball

[Ball99999]

So far I have basically been turning my wrist like turning a doorknob.

But, am I supposed to instead try and lift the ball with my fingers to the side?

[UBowling]

Preferably you want your fingers on the back and underneath the ball and as you release the ball your fingers come up the side.

Try to think of it in different mechanics than what you might have been told before. Try to always keep the weight of the ball on the pad of your hand on your index finger. If that makes sense. As you bring the ball back on your backswing, have the ball weight on your index finger and as the ball gets to the top of the backswing and begins the downswing the ball needs to be rotated so your ring finger leads and the ball is again putting pressure on the index finger.

Try to make your ring finger always have the lead. If you go into your release with your ring finger in the lead, your hand should naturally turn the ball.

[Ball99999]

So do you feel like you're lifting with your fingers, like pulling them from under to up the side and up?
Right now I feel more like I'm using wrist action

[striker12]

ball99999 there's a drill ik that can help you with this it's the 1 step drill and you work on getting your hand under the ball but then another one could be on your knee soo your closer to the ground and jsut swing your arm 3 times and on the 3rd time coming forward push the ball and try to rev up the ball(best ball to use is a plastic ball finger tipped because u dont want to have any of your good balls going into the gutter and something happening to them but a plastic ball will still hook mostly when your on your knee cause your throw will be slow)

if you do the 1 step then go to a entry lvl ball cause there will be more speed then if you where on your knee.

[AngeloPD]

here you go man

[billf]

As you can see, you have been having this issue since you registered here (and probably before that). Now you have gotten every possible way to get rotation explained. At some point your mind and body will have to be too confused and end up with some kind of hybrid mess. So my suggestion today is the same as yesterday, go get a lesson with a coach. The more you wait, the more confused you will keep getting.

[Zothen]

You can always try the football method. Take a football and throw an underhand spiral! This simulates the ball coming off your hand.

Zothen

[Ball99999]

You can always try the football method. Take a football and throw an underhand spiral! This simulates the ball coming off your hand.

Zothen

I don't have a football but the problem remains, I can see the same result in videos but not be clear on which muscles are being used.. are people using their wrist to turn, like a doorknob, and then letting the arm push the fingers through the ball... or is there no wrist muscle action and instead the fingers are PULLING the ball up and around the side?

[AngeloPD]

I don't have a football but the problem remains, I can see the same result in videos but not be clear on which muscles are being used.. are people using their wrist to turn, like a doorknob, and then letting the arm push the fingers through the ball... or is there no wrist muscle action and instead the fingers are PULLING the ball up and around the side?

you can buy a football for $5-$15?

[Ball99999]

you can buy a football for $5-$15?

Not really going to be useful. I have the basic motion down. Again it's figuring out whether or not the muscles are being used in the fingers, or the muscle in the wrist and letting the fingers flow through the ball.

The way Norm Duke bowls (The way I like, and not with the hinge or heavy cup/cock), looks like he basically just rotates his wrist and lets his arm/fingers flow through the ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mONtZohY#t=29s

This really clarifies one release for me.
That has worked well for me before I think I just have to practice it.

I've also seen completely different releases like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...3oPLqHlA#t=23s

It looks more like it's just an uncock/uncup and not much wrist/finger turn. So much harder to do than it looks though.