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    Quote Originally Posted by Tampabaybob View Post
    Watched your other video before this one and there is a definite improvement showing. What I'd like to see you do is get a deeper knee bend at the line, kick that left leg out further and hold it there. When you release the ball at the line, and it was mentioned earlier in another post, your arm needs to be STRAIGHT OUT TO YOUR TARGET. You're pulling your arm in front of you, which would indicate to me you're lifting your eyes off of your target a split second before you release the ball. You must, repeat, must, watch your target until the ball rolls over it...then look up at the path of the ball and the pins. You can't hit what you don't see, and also remember this...your left hand will always follow your eyes. If you look up a split second too soon, you will pull the ball right.

    You're on the right track, keep practicing and you'll see the improvements.. Big thing is to stay DOWN at the line, balanced on just your right foot and keep your left leg behind you with the toes on the floor.

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    Alright, so my next move will be to keep my arm straight out, keep my eyes on the target, and of course, the knee bend. Thanks for all of the help so far, Bob. It really has helped me with my game, which actually helped a couple of my friends stop palming the ball and attempt the same form I'm trying to learn.

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    Hmmm, where to start. 1: the gym won't give you any speed. Bowling is a muscle free sport. That fact is what allows the little guys (Norm Duke, Pete Weber) to compete with the big guys (Wes Mallot, Mike DeVaney). Speed is generated first by the legs and second through how fluid the swing and release is. Your foot work is better than it was but still atrocious. Your tempo to the line is too slow the last two steps. Your feet are too far apart on your steps. This comes into play because as any baseball player knows, the closer your feet are from side to side, not stride length, the more the horizon moves. I am the opposite extreme as people wonder how I don't trip over my own feet as they almost go one in front of the other. Yours are still just beyond shoulder width apart at the step. Your whole delivery looks overly methodical, almost mechanical. I'm not trying to be mean or an *** just bluntly honest. As you correct all these other issues your ball speed will increase naturally. Once that happens then and only then, should you learn how to adjust your speed. Doing so now would only hinder your progress in more important areas.
    Your release is inconsistent because your wrist/hand position is inconsistent on the back swing. The ring finger, ideally, should lead the way on the down swing. The easiest way to do this is to set your hand/wrist accordingly in the stance. Once you get use to the feeling in the swing then it won't matter as much in the stance as you will automatically lead with the ring finger. To help with hitting your target, when your balance hand comes off the ball, point it towards your target, thumb down so your thumb will block anything above that target. This will help you focus on that target. As your swing comes down use your balance arm as a counter-weight. Once your swing comes to your ankle, accelerate both arms with the palm of your balance hand pointing down and towards the back. You will find that with a proper knee bend this is a really easy way to keep the same swing, lock on your target and use momentum and balance to finish the swing. The acceleration is where a lot of Revs come from while maintaining control.
    Knee bend. Also used to control amount of loft the correct way. Whatever bend you have in the stance is the amount of bend you will tend to have at the finish. Bob teaches lower, lower, lower while I teach same plane. Both work and are effective but to differing degrees for different people. My new favorite person is Tony Chin. Why? He reminds me to keep the proper body alignment with my TOE, KNEE & CHIN aligned perfectly at 90 degrees to the lane. Now you will never be able to order Chinese food again without remembering that. So get in to your stance bent at the waist and knees, stay bent at the waist and let the power of your legs propel you forward. The legs are by far the strongest muscle group on the human body so use them. I've yet to hear of a person that could bench more than they could squat unless a serious injury or disability was involved.
    When you go into your slide, mini-slide or plant, whip that balance leg behind you. Keep it low with the foot preferably on the ground. The foot on the floor with help maintain the power through the finish while keeping balanced. Post the shot. This means hold the finish position until the ball passes through the pins. Watch the ball go all the way through. Get into that habit know because later seeing what the ball does after it hits the head pin will help you make decisions about the shot. For know it ensures that you can't come up on the release and ruin an otherwise good delivery. Plus by holding it you can see where your slide foot is a determine, did you drift? did you hit your target? did your foot go at some strange angle while sliding?
    You made a ton of progress from the first video. If you hadn't I wouldn't have been so blunt and given so much information at once. But by making this progress I see how serious you are and capable of handling the changes without worry or scoreboard watching too badly. So don't take my critique hurtfully but rather as a compliment. Keep up the hard work!
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    LMAO I just notice I made a point #1 and then went on a rant and didn't number any of the others
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    Quote Originally Posted by noeymc View Post
    he's doing a 4 step and he looks like he's pretty close to the foul line it doesn't look to bad id leave that alone for a while and try to focus on follow thur and and not setting the ball down bending thos knees and work on stare down your mark i love cosmic bowling and very nice spilt pick up you've come a long ways my friend lol you've made great improvements

    i am not attacking you or saying you wrong because we all need footwork improvements but he just switched from a 2 finger approach to i guess normal you should read thur everything and see what's been said and what hasn't
    Haha, thanks. It felt pretty good when I picked up that split. And I'll keep working on my follow-through and not just setting the ball down. I gotta say, it feels good to actually be making progress. The first day of working on the right form sucked, but it's gotten better, and I actually enjoy bowling more now than I did before when I only partially used my thumb to put a lot of revs on the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atambohmer View Post
    Alright, so my next move will be to keep my arm straight out, keep my eyes on the target, and of course, the knee bend. Thanks for all of the help so far, Bob. It really has helped me with my game, which actually helped a couple of my friends stop palming the ball and attempt the same form I'm trying to learn.
    My pleasure. You're one of the few that actually "work" at improving. This is the type of bowler I will spend hours with at the lanes to help them progress. The bowlers that go " Uh huh" and go do something entirely different are the ones i leave for the other coaches. There are plenty of bowlers that actually "want to learn" the game and it's those that I enjoy spending my time with. Good luck and keep us updated.

    Bob

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    I got my new high score post-form change. It was 235 before I changed form, but I got a 191 today, and that's the best I've done since I started working on my form. I noticed today that I released a lot of my shots right before the foul line, which might have been a result of me trying to go from a cupped wrist to a straight wrist in my down swing. At the start of the video, I listed what I still need to work on as well as what I worked on today. Let me know if I should add anything to the list of goals to tackle next. I did do the knee bend pretty well on the game that I didn't film, but I didn't do it for the one that was filmed for some reason. I don't know why. Anyway, here's this week's update. I hope I improved enough to make it worth your time. And if not, sorry about that. I'm trying to get this down right. Thanks for your time.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMsWV...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by atambohmer View Post
    I got my new high score post-form change. It was 235 before I changed form, but I got a 191 today, and that's the best I've done since I started working on my form. I noticed today that I released a lot of my shots right before the foul line, which might have been a result of me trying to go from a cupped wrist to a straight wrist in my down swing. At the start of the video, I listed what I still need to work on as well as what I worked on today. Let me know if I should add anything to the list of goals to tackle next. I did do the knee bend pretty well on the game that I didn't film, but I didn't do it for the one that was filmed for some reason. I don't know why. Anyway, here's this week's update. I hope I improved enough to make it worth your time. And if not, sorry about that. I'm trying to get this down right. Thanks for your time.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMsWV...ature=youtu.be
    Huge improvement !! Looking good but you're bending backwards at the line which is making you fall back after you release the ball. Where you want to be is "perfectly" balanced on your right slide foot AFTER you have released the ball. This will increase your leverage, roll, and accuracy.
    Watch this video and you'll see what I mean:[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch feature=player_embedded&v=N5nnDbV0znE"]

    Bob

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    Don't apologize. You have made some great progress and as long as you're trying and trying hard then you have nothing to apologize for. Keep u the great work!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tampabaybob View Post
    Huge improvement !! Looking good but you're bending backwards at the line which is making you fall back after you release the ball. Where you want to be is "perfectly" balanced on your right slide foot AFTER you have released the ball. This will increase your leverage, roll, and accuracy.
    Watch this video and you'll see what I mean:[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch feature=player_embedded&v=N5nnDbV0znE"]

    Bob
    Thanks, I'll take a look at the video.

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    Hey, my game has improved a lot in the last couple weeks. I'm getting close to my old average again. Yesterday I bowled a 158, 178, and 177. I made a video for those games, but the youtube uploader isn't working well. Basically, I'm having trouble making spares on the left side. Since I'm left-handed, what should I be doing to make those spares consistently?

    And I have one more question not related to form but I'll post it here anyway. My parents are going to buy me another bowling ball for Christmas and I told them to get the DV8 Reckless. I was just wondering which drilling layout I should get for my style of bowling. Right now, I'm fine with bowling stroker style but I would eventually like to learn cranker style the right way (with thumb) and use both styles depending on how I feel like bowling. So would anyone recommend I get the Big Curve or Big Crank layout? My Misfit ball has the Big Curve layout. And here's the link explaining them if anyone needs to look at it. Thanks.
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