Lucid surface question

[Ball99999]

Most ball’s including my DV8 terror I stand board 5 and shoot second arrow for a nice hook into the pocket.

Could you please clarify this point for me please. Is your left foot on board 5?

[bowl1820]

Wasn't that study done with balls that are drilled with the same layout though? Like I said before I'm no expert, but it seems to me how a ball is drilled has more effect on motion than it's coverstock.

While the layout and the size and location of a balance hole (and ball chosen) determine the shape of the breakpoint. By adjusting the surface texture as is being suggested here, you can fine tune the reaction.

By sanding a ball it will smooth out the balls reaction some, so if you have a ball being too angular, it will reduce the angle some.

By changing the surface you can move the breakpoint closer to foul line or closer to the pins.

Depending on how they're drilled, a light-medium oil ball can out-hook a ball made for heavy oil.

But not on the same conditions.

[Hampe]

While the layout and the size and location of a balance hole (and ball chosen) determine the shape of the breakpoint. By adjusting the surface texture as is being suggested here, you can fine tune the reaction.

Sure....I'm not trying to say that coverstock has no influence, just that how a ball is drilled has more of an influence.

But not on the same conditions.

I'd agree if you said not on "certain" conditions. But I'm pretty sure it would hold true on the same THS.

[MICHAEL]

[QUOTE=Ball99999;61336]Could you please clarify this point for me please. Is your left foot on board 5?[/QUOTE

That would be my right heel. I put my right heel on five/seven on fresh oil, then move toward the left as the oil breaks down, winding up at around 15. I always aim at 9/10/11 board! I found out that with the Lucid and standing at 40, I can aim at 15/10 and get a nice hook back into the pocket, but not very consistent! I also when using this delivery, have to throw the ball at a much reduced speed, soft touch.
So it’s a little harder to do repeatedly!

[bowl1820]

I'd agree if you said not on "certain" conditions. But I'm pretty sure it would hold true on the same THS.

How about instead of "certain" conditions why don't we say.

"Depending on how they're drilled, a light-medium oil ball can out-hook a ball made for heavy oil, on the conditions it was designed for."

[75lockwood]

"Depending on how they're drilled, a light-medium oil ball can out-hook a ball made for heavy oil, on the conditions it was designed for."

Can you explain the reasoning behind this a bit more? is it due to the heavy oil ball loosing energy on the lighter oil conditions? or?

[Zothen]

Sometimes your weakest ball is your strongest ball! I think bowl1820 is refering to the friction being built up more in a light-medium oil ball,then a heavy oil ball. Not 100% sure,but,I do know that my pro shop always tells me that if a high end ball is'nt working,then try an entry level ball and vice versa.

Zothen

[bowl1820]

Can you explain the reasoning behind this a bit more? is it due to the heavy oil ball loosing energy on the lighter oil conditions? or?

The longer a ball skids, the more energy it retains because it is not losing as much energy to friction. This will allow the ball to have a stronger reaction down the lane.

A heavy oil/dull ball will see friction early, so when used on a condition it wasn't meant for like a dryer pattern. It will see that friction and start transitioning too early.

A lot of the time when this happens the ball will look weak, that's why when you go to a light oil/shiny ball it will see the friction later on that same pattern. The transition will happen later and it will have a stronger reaction.

[bowl1820]

Did some looking here's the order list, this has to do with the first transition (skid phase to the hook phase)

The order of which has the stronger influence
1. surface
2. total differential
3. drilling angle
4. RG


The thing is All those variables contribute to the length of the first transition. As for the O.P.'s question sanding it some can smooth out the reaction.

[75lockwood]

The longer a ball skids, the more energy it retains because it is not losing as much energy to friction. This will allow the ball to have a stronger reaction down the lane.

A heavy oil/dull ball will see friction early, so when used on a condition it wasn't meant for like a dryer pattern. It will see that friction and start transitioning too early.

A lot of the time when this happens the ball will look weak, that's why when you go to a light oil/shiny ball it will see the friction later on that same pattern. The transition will happen later and it will have a stronger reaction.

Thanks, this makes a lot of sense.