Would shrinking ring finger span hurt or help hook/revs?

[Ball99999]

I'm not concerned with it creating more revs, just that it doesn't hurt revs.

I'm not talking about shrinking the span by a significant amount, just a little bit, my ring finger is slightly longer than middle finger span, relatively. I am more interested in creating a 45 degree axis rotation and using the middle finger as a driving finger.

[75lockwood]

WHY!?!!

honestly, your questions are getting stranger and stranger, if you want to change your axis rotation, change your hand position on the ball, behind the ball to beside the ball on release, screwing with your span is a good way to hurt your hand, even the slightest bit can be bad. get the ball properly drilled for your hand then work on what YOU can do, not what the ball can do for you.

to answer your original question, rev's can be affected if the improper span causes your grip on the ball to be off, if you can't hold the ball correctly, everything may suffer

[Ball99999]

WHY!?!!

honestly, your questions are getting stranger and stranger, if you want to change your axis rotation, change your hand position on the ball, behind the ball to beside the ball on release, screwing with your span is a good way to hurt your hand, even the slightest bit can be bad. get the ball properly drilled for your hand then work on what YOU can do, not what the ball can do for you.

to answer your original question, rev's can be affected if the improper span causes your grip on the ball to be off, if you can't hold the ball correctly, everything may suffer

jesus ******* christ.. we're talking about bowling what is the big ******* deal? get over it!

I wish you would quit replying and acting like I don't know **** in fact I wish you wouldn't reply at all.
People get sarge easter grips while I was talking about a couple MM.

[75lockwood]

Ok, first i never said i don't think know anything, in fact on a few occasions i said the opposite, what i did say is from my prospective you seem to be trying something new ever time you come on here, and that you will never get good at anything if you don't stick with it for more than a day.

last time i checked, you posted on here to get opinions and help from others, swearing at them because you don't like what they have to say really shows maturity. Regardless of what you may think, i'm trying to help you, thats more than i can say you have done.

[Ball99999]

Ok, first i never said i don't think know anything, in fact on a few occasions i said the opposite, what i did say is from my prospective you seem to be trying something new ever time you come on here, and that you will never get good at anything if you don't stick with it for more than a day.

last time i checked, you posted on here to get opinions and help from others, swearing at them because you don't like what they have to say really shows maturity. Regardless of what you may think, i'm trying to help you, thats more than i can say you have done.

WHO CARES!? i'm sick of the same stupid BS replies.
PLEASE stop replying, I don't want YOUR opinions.

[bowl1820]

Well here's my opinion

If you want change rotation, you change hand position. it's that simple.

And judging by all your other posts and the the fit problems it seems you have. Worrying about adjusting your span and/or pitches to get a change in rotation is a waste of time.

But Tidalknight I'll give you some info:

Pitch changes to adjust ball roll . . .
This info is from a session with Mo Pinel and Del Warren. They do advocate pitch changes to adjust ball roll.

They start with what some here have called the "claw" grip. That is, a bowler's standard fit will include more forward pitches and a shorter span than has been the norm for many over the last few years. When the thumb is fully inserted and the fingers are laid across the holes, the edge of the hole/insert close to the thumb will be between the first and second crease/joint. They feel that a closed hand can remain more relaxed and still hold the ball without grabbing.

Once the "standard" fit is determined, adjustments can be made as follows (for right handed bowlers, lefties need to reverse the lateral adjustments) :

* To Increase Rev Rate - add 1/8 forward to both fingers and 1/8 reverse to thumb

* To Decrease Rev Rate - add 1/8 reverse to both fingers and 1/8 forward to thumb

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 left lateral to all three holes

* To Decrease Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 right lateral to all three holes

* To Increase Roll for low track players - Add 3/8 reverse to middle finger and increase middle finger span by 1/16. Add 3/8 forward to ring finger and shorten ring finger span by 1/16.

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt for very high track players - Add 3/8 forward to middle finger and shorten span 1/16. Add 3/8 reverse to ring finger and lengthen span 1/16.

* Two or more adjustments may be combined for more dramatic results.

[Ball99999]

Well here's my opinion

If you want change rotation, you change hand position. it's that simple.

And judging by all your other posts and the the fit problems it seems you have. Worrying about adjusting your span and/or pitches to get a change in rotation is a waste of time.

But Tidalknight I'll give you some info:

Pitch changes to adjust ball roll . . .
This info is from a session with Mo Pinel and Del Warren. They do advocate pitch changes to adjust ball roll.

They start with what some here have called the "claw" grip. That is, a bowler's standard fit will include more forward pitches and a shorter span than has been the norm for many over the last few years. When the thumb is fully inserted and the fingers are laid across the holes, the edge of the hole/insert close to the thumb will be between the first and second crease/joint. They feel that a closed hand can remain more relaxed and still hold the ball without grabbing.

Once the "standard" fit is determined, adjustments can be made as follows (for right handed bowlers, lefties need to reverse the lateral adjustments) :

* To Increase Rev Rate - add 1/8 forward to both fingers and 1/8 reverse to thumb

* To Decrease Rev Rate - add 1/8 reverse to both fingers and 1/8 forward to thumb

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 left lateral to all three holes

* To Decrease Axis Rotation and Tilt - add 1/8 right lateral to all three holes

* To Increase Roll for low track players - Add 3/8 reverse to middle finger and increase middle finger span by 1/16. Add 3/8 forward to ring finger and shorten ring finger span by 1/16.

* To Increase Axis Rotation and Tilt for very high track players - Add 3/8 forward to middle finger and shorten span 1/16. Add 3/8 reverse to ring finger and lengthen span 1/16.

* Two or more adjustments may be combined for more dramatic results.

Ok did you really call me tidalknight just because that's a name I use on other forums? I don't get it.

[bowl1820]

Ok did you really call me tidalknight just because that's a name I use on other forums? I don't get it.

Thanks for verifying your name, I thought maybe you were just copying someones old posts and it was a simple way to check.

I've been reading your posts over on bowlingcommunity.com. where you've been posting all these same or similar questions (Not this particular one, at least not that I've found yet) for the last year and getting the same answers over and over.

[Ball99999]

Thanks for verifying your name, I thought maybe you were just copying someones old posts and it was a simple way to check.

I've been reading your posts over on bowlingcommunity.com. where you've been posting all these same or similar questions (Not this particular one, at least not that I've found yet) for the last year and getting the same answers over and over.

are you kidding... WHO CARES? I post on other forums.. shocking! you cracked the case.
what are you, a stalker?

[striker12]

ball99999 you seem to like saying WHO CARES alot but it seems like you just dont read anything right and when yo0u do read it you think everyone is going at you but one thing im going to say is you make so many dame threads asking questions that you got a answer too in another thread you posted and as bowl1820 is saying you are asking these question on another site and you are getting answer from us and other people too and you seem to give us here on bowlingboards a hard time when you hear something you dont want to hear.

i seen early lockwood said to you stop worry about changing all the time i understand what he said it means it takes time to get use to something different then what you are use to it wont jsut happen over night it takes practice and everytime you come on you say you went bowling and this was a problem and it could be from all the other questions you want you focus on changing that one thing that everything else has also changed too and then you take it out on everyone here.

so you telling people that dont give you a good answer to never post again how about you stop making stupid posts everyday saying yo0u want to change this, this, this and this because i think alot of people on here are getting annoyed of it and ik i am