friendly league

[75lockwood]

Handicap is great, it helps keep new bowlers happy and motivated rather than thinking their not good enough because they loose to the person that's been bowling for 10 years every week. is the handicap system perfect? no, but its better than none at all.

[Zothen]

What pisses me off the most about the handicap 80%-100% of 225(Depending on league)is the fact that a 205-215 avg bowler has 7-13 pins of handicap. Do 205+ avg bowlers really need handicap? Not in my opinion and on the other side you have a 92 avg bowler who has 128 pins of handicap which to me is outrages. I'm all for giving the underdog a chance,but,come on now lets be fair. Lets go back to when the handicap was 80% of 210 and make it fair for everyone,instead of having teams you can't win against because the avg makes them unbeatable.

Zothen

[J Anderson]

What pisses me off the most about the handicap 80%-100% of 225(Depending on league)is the fact that a 205-215 avg bowler has 7-13 pins of handicap. Do 205+ avg bowlers really need handicap? Not in my opinion and on the other side you have a 92 avg bowler who has 128 pins of handicap which to me is outrages. I'm all for giving the underdog a chance,but,come on now lets be fair. Lets go back to when the handicap was 80% of 210 and make it fair for everyone,instead of having teams you can't win against because the avg makes them unbeatable.

Zothen

If you have bowlers whose averages are higher than the handicap basis you are actually giving them an advantage. Take your example of a 215 average bowler:
If he is right on his average with the 210 basis he has a score of 215.
With the 225 basis his score with handicap is 215+ 8 or 223. 'This is horrible, we've given 8 pins to someone who doesn't need them'

Say his opponent is almost as good, and has a 205 average.
with the 210 basis he gets 4 pins so if he bowls his average the total with handicap is 209. He would need to be 6 pins over average just to tie.
With the 225 basis his handicap is 16 pins, total of ave. + handicap = 205+16=221. Guess what, he only needs to be 3 pins over to win!

I know that it feels wrong to give pins to the best bowler in the league, but when you do the math, it is clearly more fair.

p.s. the 92 bowler has only 106 pins of handicap and would need to be 25 pins over to tie bowler one using 80% based on 225.

[scottymoney]

Handicap creates an even playing field, the base number does not matter and is usually just picked depending on the scores of the league. The change is in the percentage, but 10% isn't going to make a huge difference at all. It isn't worth griping about 10% is about 3 pins which I doubt 99% of games are decided by.

[xthe_charismatic_enigmax]

I only have a few pins of handicap, except in my Tuesday night league..anyway, the only time it really annoys me is in no-tap and when I'm man vs. man against someone in which I'm giving them 30-40 pins of handicap..

[75lockwood]

I only have a few pins of handicap, except in my Tuesday night league..anyway, the only time it really annoys me is in no-tap and when I'm man vs. man against someone in which I'm giving them 30-40 pins of handicap..

I don't see the point of handicap in a no tap... I thought the point of no tap was to even the field between mid and high average bowlers, adding handicap to that seems pointless....

[panbanger]

In my friendly league the handicap is 80% of 200. Overall it's fair. The team that bowls above their average usually wins. I guess my goal is to by the end of the league have no handicap. Right now I get 8 pins.

[Okie_Ray]

The league i bowl in on Thursdays is an 85% of 210

[billf]

Handicap systems are simple..bowl your average or better. It's the sound of the number of pins your giving up that mentally impairs the bowler who is giving them. If you're giving away pins, it's because you're statistically better than your opponent.
It's pretty much the same in a scratch league..if you don't hit your average, chances are you will lose. And if you hit your average or above, you may still lose. Just bowl and get better.

[xthe_charismatic_enigmax]

When people with 170 averages bowl 240's..that's just a bit of a disadvantage to a scratch bowler..