How do I convert the 10 pin with a two finger / thumbless release?

[RoccoRock]

ok, i would like to point out that i didn't say the two styles were the same i stated that at the point of release both two and one handed thumbless bowlers have essentially the same release, there are many difference to the two styles, but the actual point of release (from what i understand) are fundamentally the same and as such techniques can be transferable

Ok, and all I said is they may be essentially the same, but this is one case where they are not. I'm not disagreeing with you, or trying to start fights. I agree there are a lot of similarities in the 2 styles, and I was just pointing out that in this case not using the second hand makes this situation more difficult. Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to start something.

[billf]

I interpreted what they said in a different manner but can easily see where you're coming from. Throwing it straight thumbless is very difficult so if the pinkie hole helps please let me know....

[RoccoRock]

I am getting the Rising Star tomorrow, but I probably won't get the pinkie hole drilled until Thursday, but i will let everyone know how I like it.

[GaryBriggs]

I bowl 2 finger as well, when i first started 10 pins were a nightmare! I may have converted 30-40%, and my average never got over 170. I have a very hard time consistantly rolling a straight ball, plastic or otherwise!

I learned to throw a hard hooking back up ball and now convert over 90% of my 10 pins. Its also handy at picking up tricky splits that give right handers trouble. The ability to hook right-left and left-right has upped my average 30 pins!

This is how I do it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBjPD...AjHCRq9nwBvTYg

[billf]

Welcome to the forum! No video of the back up ball?

[GaryBriggs]

Im sorry I copy and pasted the wrong video...

15lb Resurgence on a Med length house pattern

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJgkN...BvTYg&index=10

[RoccoRock]

Looks a lot like the way I throw my backup ball. I could not get it to be consistent, and it eventually started hurting my wrist and fingers. The way I see it, if you can throw a backup ball, you can throw a straight ball. The straight ball will serve you much better on tough lane conditions.

[GaryBriggs]

I dont really put my fingers in the ball when i throw the backup ball. Typically I would inset to the first knuckle on a normal shot, on the backup I barley insert them!

I do that because when I was learning to throw the backup shot I too started to feel some soreness in knuckles, never my wrist or elbow! Rocco you seem to share the same ideology as the people I bowl with, I'm sure i could throw it straight but its not as comfortable for me, considering there is no right or wrong way to bowl I will keep doing it my way! I've thrown the backup probably close to 1000 times now, including sport league and at nationals with great success! On the tougher patterns I throw it straighter taking a lot of the hook out of the equation.

[unclemantis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mNsdcd9Uc0

[unclemantis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexWIjXF8MQ