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    Quote Originally Posted by Tampabaybob View Post
    Well, I'm going to assume that you were the first bowler on the video, only after reading the other answers. I'll agree your balance is your major problem. Oh yeah, I also think you have set a new record for coming off the floor as yo release the ball !! LOL Seriously, you need to slow down your feet. You get to the line way too soon before for ball and then you have to fight to keep your balance. At your starting position, tell yourself "Smooooooooth" before yo step off on your first step. Do that on every ball until you are able to end up balanced and be able to post your shot without looking like you're trying to kill yourself. Yes, it's tough to overcome bad habits, but if you're rally into it, you'll be able to get it slowed down.

    Now, bowlers 2, 3, 4, and 5......they have different issues. Bowler three (I think) has the smoothest approach with the best "knee bend". And bowler # 5 needs to keep his slide foot straighter at the line so his shoulders won't open so much.

    When you and your buddies submit videos separate the people. Only show 3 -5 frames of each bowler but only one bowler per video.

    Good luck lets see a video after you slow down.
    Can you tell me the problems for each bowler? I'm sure they'd love some advice!
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    From what I see with a quick look:

    bowler 2: Has no knee, or waste bend at all.

    bowler 3: similar to your issues, violent delivery, with that back foot kicking up way too high.

    Bowler 3: also same issue with the back foot, and he never bends his elbow on the backswing.

    Bowler 4: needs more knee bend, and his hand is on top of the ball the whole time.

    Just what I see, others may see more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoccoRock View Post
    From what I see with a quick look:

    bowler 2: Has no knee, or waste bend at all.

    bowler 3: similar to your issues, violent delivery, with that back foot kicking up way too high.

    Bowler 4: also same issue with the back foot, and he never bends his elbow on the backswing.

    Bowler 5: needs more knee bend, and his hand is on top of the ball the whole time.

    Just what I see, others may see more than that.
    The last bowler is my younger brother, and I want to help him out. Can you go more in depth? sorry for being a bother, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by I suck at bowling View Post
    The last bowler is my younger brother, and I want to help him out. Can you go more in depth? sorry for being a bother, lol
    He also has the same issues with his right leg kicking up very high. As far as his release, not sure what tips I can give. There are more qualified guys on here than me to help. All I can say is he is both on top of the ball, and way off to the side. When I first started using my thumb, my hand looked similar. It took time, and concentrating on getting my hand behind the ball, and cupping my wrist a little. I still come off the side a lot one handed, but my fingers are under the ball, and my hand is behind it most of the way through my delivery.
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    Your younger brother? Damn, now I have to go watch again. I can't ignore helping kids.

    ROCCOROCK, keep helping. Given all you have gone through I don't think anyone else here is more qualified to offer two handed advice. You know first hand the struggles, trials and tribulations. You also know how good it is when it all works out correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billf View Post
    Your younger brother? Damn, now I have to go watch again. I can't ignore helping kids.

    ROCCOROCK, keep helping. Given all you have gone through I don't think anyone else here is more qualified to offer two handed advice. You know first hand the struggles, trials and tribulations. You also know how good it is when it all works out correctly.

    That be great man!
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    I slowed the video down even more. I tried putting the text over what I saw but it wouldn't work correctly.
    Look at his feet going into the slide. The push leg and foot shouldn't go at such an awful angle. The toe of the balance leg should stay on the floor, not the side of the foot. The slide foot really twists badly AFTER the release. Not a real issue but can lead to injury. The swing is severely muscled and not free. He is definitely forcing the entire swing which kills movement, accuracy and carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billf View Post
    I slowed the video down even more. I tried putting the text over what I saw but it wouldn't work correctly.
    Look at his feet going into the slide. The push leg and foot shouldn't go at such an awful angle. The toe of the balance leg should stay on the floor, not the side of the foot. The slide foot really twists badly AFTER the release. Not a real issue but can lead to injury. The swing is severely muscled and not free. He is definitely forcing the entire swing which kills movement, accuracy and carry.
    How do I go about telling helping him fix it?

    I've told him about the "coming through the ball" and the foot, but do I explain the rest?
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    Grab a bowling ball and let it swing back and forth. This will help learn a free swing by not only letting your muscles learn to relax with the weight but also train your body and brain to swing it that far. Most pro bowlers are little dudes. It's one sport where muscles aren't needed or wanted (to a point). It's not a true power sport but rather a finesse sport. The more free the swing the better the revs, speed and pin carry.

    Explain all you can to him but understand he won't appear to listen until he is ready. One day the bulb will go off in his head and then he will start doing all he was told.
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