I wanna be a hooker!

[Gunz1911]

Is it still considered a Brooklyn if you get a strike with a back-up ball? I know random question, Tampa just made me withink of it with how a woman's arm bends further than a man's. Has anyone ever done soley back-up balls as thier primary delivery?

[GoodGorilla]

Is it still considered a Brooklyn if you get a strike with a back-up ball? I know random question, Tampa just made me withink of it with how a woman's arm bends further than a man's. Has anyone ever done soley back-up balls as thier primary delivery?

I heard an announcer ask another one about that, and they didn't know either.

[classygranny]

Is it still considered a Brooklyn if you get a strike with a back-up ball? I know random question, Tampa just made me withink of it with how a woman's arm bends further than a man's. Has anyone ever done soley back-up balls as thier primary delivery?

I bowl on Fri am with a lady that throws a beautiful "reverse hook". Do NOT by any means tell her she throws a back-up ball (altho we all refer to it as that) and being right handed she only considers a 1-3 pocket strike a Brooklyn strike as she says; "a Brooklyn strike is a strike that hits the opposite side of the head pin than you were aiming" and since her "reverse hook" aims to hit the 1-2 pocket it is not considered a Brooklyn.

Someone who may be throwing a bit of a fade/backup ball and aiming for the 1-3 pocket as a right hander, would then consider a 1-2 pocket strike a Brooklyn.

Just my take on the question...I'm by no means an expert.

[Tampabaybob]

You are correct Gayla. Anyone that throws "a reverse hook" has their pocket in the 1 - 2 pin. And as you mentioned, their "brooklyn" is the 1-3 pocket.

Many years ago, when I bowled the New England Bowlers Association tournaments, there were a couple of guys that threw reverse hooks. These guys were tough and almost always made the cut. There's probably not that many anymore, but from time to time you might run across one. Remember they have the same advantage as a left hander because they don't have to be concerned with oil depletion the way right handers do. So I guess that's a good thing to consider.

[DLP]

Got a name and got a phone number Turns out my hubby went down to get his Black Mamba redrilled (he is being persnickety) and while in the Pro shop ran into a guy who happens to be a coach. Go fig. I must have rubbed the jeanie bottle the right way this morning.
Guess who ended up being the center of attention and I wasn't even there to defend myself? :P

Tomorrow I make the phone call and we'll see what happens
There is hope for the hopeless yet!

[GoodGorilla]

A few corrections although the intent was well meant
1. Any ball can go straight with revs. With 0° axis rotation the end of end roll is still counts as revs. If the lanes are super burnt up then the ball may still move a couple of boards, just as a plastic ball could.
HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

I'm a little confused after reading this in bowling this month magazine. Axis rotation is in relation to your finger holes? But hook is created by the flare of the ball, and the flare of the ball is caused by the core from going from tilted to strait? I mean, if you have a layout for an end over roll it should still hook or if the layout permits. Anyhow, I don't understand why a plastic ball would hook end over end if it's going strait at the target. I can also hook a spare ball if I want to, it baffles many of people including myself. I need to put some polish on it with my new ball spinner.

[Tampabaybob]

Got a name and got a phone number Turns out my hubby went down to get his Black Mamba redrilled (he is being persnickety) and while in the Pro shop ran into a guy who happens to be a coach. Go fig. I must have rubbed the jeanie bottle the right way this morning.
Guess who ended up being the center of attention and I wasn't even there to defend myself? :P

Tomorrow I make the phone call and we'll see what happens
There is hope for the hopeless yet!

DLP...... That's great !!!! Hope this works out well for you and by all means keep us abreast of what's happening. "You Go Girl " !!!

[billf]

I'm a little confused after reading this in bowling this month magazine. Axis rotation is in relation to your finger holes? But hook is created by the flare of the ball, and the flare of the ball is caused by the core from going from tilted to strait? I mean, if you have a layout for an end over roll it should still hook or if the layout permits. Anyhow, I don't understand why a plastic ball would hook end over end if it's going strait at the target. I can also hook a spare ball if I want to, it baffles many of people including myself. I need to put some polish on it with my new ball spinner.

My old Storm Ice, I can hook with ease when rev dominant. My Brunswick T-Zone won't move more than 1 board. Both have a pancake weight block and according to the manufacturers are identical. So why one will hook easily and the other won't is beyond me.

Axis rotation. This may be the easiest way to explain it when not in person lol
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/ind...mparison_Video
Basically the angle of the finger holes in relation to the foul line. Tilt is the angle across the center of the ball, like the Earth's equator if it were tilting to one side. This is controlled by the angle when the thumb exits the ball. Very difficult to learn to vary.

What confuses me is being told to use available charts to measure the oil track and flare rings to determine tilt, etc. but BTM says flare creates hook? Layouts and ball design both can affect flare so them also affecting hook makes sense.

[GoodGorilla]

My old Storm Ice, I can hook with ease when rev dominant. My Brunswick T-Zone won't move more than 1 board. Both have a pancake weight block and according to the manufacturers are identical. So why one will hook easily and the other won't is beyond me.
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The spareball I use is a pyramid, If I try, I can hook the ball quite hard on dry lanes, and even a decent amount on oily lanes. The ball will also grab the dry parts of the lane at times and change the ball direction slightly resembling a hook. I wonder if there is a straiter spareball out there, or do I just need to polish it up, or maybe even sand it. I havn't heard anyone talk about sanding their spareball yet, sounds like a bad idea.

[billf]

I know people who polish them but haven't heard of anybody sanding them yet. Given that the lane surface smoothes out the finish on a reactive resin ball, I would assume the same is true for polyester. If that's the case, it's not worth sanding.
Polish it up and see what happens. You can use Turtle Wax Polish. Comes in a green tub and works great. Shines as good as the bowling products and seems to last a little longer while being drastically cheaper.

The Hammer Taboo spare ball is the big misnomer, It has a polyester cover with the Taboo core so it will hook. The reason? To help their bowlers win the plastic ball PBA event is my guess.

My initial order with BowlerX I asked for a plastic ball that goes straight as an arrow and I don't care what it looks like. Send me the ball that fits that description but is too ugly to sell. The sent me the T-Zone orange/yellow. Goes straight and straight only. Plus it looks good, not that I care about that.