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    I am very disappointed that the State of Michigan could not pass the public no smoking law. It has been tossed around for 2 years now. The casinos in the Detroit area wanted to be exempt, claiming that they would lose too much business to the Indian Casinos, even though the nearest one is over 125 Miles away at Mt. Pleasant. I find it hard to believe that someone wanting to gamble would drive 250 miles round trip to go to a casino just because they could smoke there, but stranger things have happened. The lawmakers knew that what their constituents want, but gave into the Casino Lobby, as well as the Restaurant Lobby. A deal could not be made, and because of this, the legislation did not pass, and the bill fizzled out, leaving us non-smokers to keep on suffering breathing in 2nd hand smoke. Unfortunately, for me, the choice is put up with it, or don't bowl. Well, I just can't give up bowling anymore, so I have to put up with it. It seems that the majority of my league smokes. The bowling proprietor is scared to death of no smoking passing, as he's afraid it will cut into his business, as he is hanging on by a thread right now. Times are not good in Michigan.

    I'm just curious if you live in a state where there was once smoking, and now, because of a law, there is no smoking, how did the change over go? Have bowling alleys lost business because people cannot smoke there any more? If you are a smoker, what did you think about not being able to smoke while bowling any further? Do you have to duck outside in between games?
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    Ohio passed the no smoking resolution a couple years ago. Restaurants were terrified that they would lose business, but after the institution of the law, some businesses actually did better. Back in the 90's I worked at a center, and I could be the only one in the building at opening, be there 15 minutes and have to change clothes because the building was saturated. Now with the no smoking, everything is more enjoyable.
    I was at bd's Mongolian Grille in Sterling Heights on Wednesday, and a guy lit up about 20 feet away. It was amazing that the smell of one person smoking affected the surrounding area so much.

    We have a few teams in the league that have to go out between each game and get a smoke, and they are usually some of the last teams done also.

    Ohio is having enforcement issues of the law. At first, family businesses were exempt, but now they're not. Private clubs (vfw, amvets, etc) are trying to get an exemption to the law. The enforcement issues arent being addressed as there's not enough personnel to address the situations.
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    In Texas, it's done on the city level. In Austin, there's no smoking in any public building at all, bars and clubs included. Denton doesn't have that regulation. Neither does Euless, which is where I bowl.

    I am a smoker, but not a heavy one. My problem is it's more out of habit. When I bowl, I smoke. Before I go into work, I smoke, at lunch I smoke, before I go in the house at home, I smoke. I normally smoke 3 cigarettes a day, but it jumps to about 7 or 8 on a bowling night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtVandelay View Post
    In Texas, it's done on the city level. In Austin, there's no smoking in any public building at all, bars and clubs included. Denton doesn't have that regulation. Neither does Euless, which is where I bowl.

    I am a smoker, but not a heavy one. My problem is it's more out of habit. When I bowl, I smoke. Before I go into work, I smoke, at lunch I smoke, before I go in the house at home, I smoke. I normally smoke 3 cigarettes a day, but it jumps to about 7 or 8 on a bowling night.

    It's mental.
    The City of Houston also a no smoking policy for all public buildings and most of Harris County has adopted this policy. Of the 4 houses I've bowled at 3 are "Non-Smoking" and the fourth has taken all the hard core smokers from the other three. So this no smoking ban has impacted two houses very hard, only one house has attracted enough non-smokers to make up for the lost people on two of their four big leagues.

    I have come to enjoy not bowling in a smoke filled house and having to take a shower as soon as I come home, because the stench on your clothes is unbearable.
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    We don't have a no smoking law, and sorry if I offend but I wish we did. I have never smoked but do enjoy the smoke free leagues and as others said it is nice to be able to breath and to not stink when I come home. I also have a second reason and that is that I have lost 3 family members to cance from smoking and 1 was from second hand smoke. I know it is tough to change but can a few hours matter?

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    If it bothers your nose to be on a smoking league, form your own league. I am on a non-alcoholic league and no one drinks. Our league, our rule.

    It has not been proven that second hand smoke causes health problems. "Facts" have been fabricated by greedy attourneys and politicians. Look at the billions they have made after these so called findings. Why don't they outlaw the stuff if it is so dangerous? Billions and Billions of dollars, that's why! If they can keep the population duped, it facilitates keeping their hands in the pockets of big tobacco companies.


    The new study by the British Medical Journal, shows no measurable rates of heart disease or lung cancer among nonsmokers who ever lived with smokers, and reports only a slight increased risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Many health agencies, including the U.S. Surgeon General's Office, have long said that secondhand smoke boosts the risk of heart disease by about 30% and lung cancer risk by 25% in nonsmokers.

    "We found no measurable effect from being exposed to secondhand smoke and an increased risk of heart disease or lung cancer in nonsmokers -- not at any time or at any level," lead researcher James Enstrom, PhD, MPH, of the UCLA School of Public Health, tells WebMD. "The only thing we did find, which was not reported in the study, is that nonsmokers who live with smokers have a increased risk of widowhood because their smoking spouses do die prematurely."

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    I like the caves here as well. I don't smoke in restraunts, others autos, homes, nor around children or in my own home. I would not have an issue whatsoever if all public places went non-smoking. I do, however, have an issue with people who spout "facts" which have no more truth to them than the man on the moon. Yea, it stinks. It is a bad habit and does have long lasting health effects on the user. Yet, it is of course, a huge cash cow for all who jump on the bandwagon.

    You know Kitty, there are 8 houses in my area (within 30 miles), only one allows smoking. It is no more proximate to anything more than any of the rest. However there are more non-smokers and smokers who bowl here, by far. Choice.

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    Facts from the American Lung Association that say second hand smoke is a danger to the health of non-smokers.
    September 2008

    What Is Secondhand Smoke?

    Secondhand smoke is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 250 chemicals known to be toxic or cancer causing, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic, ammonia, and hydrogen cyanide.1

    Secondhand smoke is also called environmental tobacco smoke (ETS); exposure to secondhand smoke is called involuntary smoking, or passive smoking.2

    It is not easy to avoid secondhand smoke because about one in five people smoke.3 The following list shows how secondhand smoke is harmful to yourself and your family.

    The Dangers of Secondhand Smoke:

    Secondhand smoke causes about 3,400 deaths each year from lung cancer in non-smokers.4
    Secondhand smoke causes irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat.5
    Secondhand smoke can also irritate the lungs, leading to coughing, excessive phlegm, wheezing and breathlessness.6
    Secondhand smoke has been estimated to cause 46,000 (ranging from 22,700 to 69,600) deaths per year from heart disease in adult nonsmokers.7

    Secondhand Smoke Especially Hurts Children!

    Children who breathe secondhand smoke are more likely to suffer from pneumonia, bronchitis, and other lung diseases.8

    Children who breathe secondhand smoke have more ear infections.9

    Children who have asthma and who breathe secondhand smoke have more asthma attacks.10

    Babies whose mothers smoke while they are pregnant or who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth are at a greater risk for SIDS, or Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.11

    There are an estimated 790,000 visits to health care providers for ear infections and over 202,000 asthma attacks in children with asthma caused by secondhand smoke exposure.12

    Sources:
    1. U.S Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. A Report of the Surgeon General, 2006. Children are Hurt by Secondhand Smoke Factsheet. January 4, 2007. Available here. Accessed on July 30, 2008
    2. American Cancer Society. Secondhand Smoke. October 25, 2007. Available here. Accessed on July 30, 2008.
    3. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey, 2006. Analysis by the American Lung Association, Research and Program Services Division using SPSS and SUDAAN software.
    4. California Environmental Protection Agency. Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant. Executive Summary. June 2005.
    5. Ibid.
    6. U.S Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. A Report of the Surgeon General, 2006. There is No Risk-Free Level of Exposure to Secondhand Smoke Factsheet. January 4, 2007. Available here. Accessed on July 30, 2008.
    7. California Environmental Protection Agency. Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant. Executive Summary. June 2005.
    8. U.S Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. A Report of the Surgeon General, 2006. Children are Hurt by Secondhand Smoke Factsheet. January 4, 2007. Available here. Accessed on July 30, 2008.
    9. Ibid.
    10. Ibid.
    11. Ibid.
    12. California Environmental Protection Agency. Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant. Executive Summary. June 2005.
    13. U.S Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. A Report of the Surgeon General, 2006. How to Protect Yourself and Your Loved Ones from Secondhand Smoke. January 4, 2007. Available here. Accessed on July 30,2008.
    It was also reported on the news this past week that there has been a 40% reduction of heart disease in states with no smoking bans in place. The specified one state in particular, but I can't recall which one.

    To answer the original question, CA has been no smoking for a very long time. When the ban first came it was simply to have smoking and non-smoking sections. This didn't really work because unless the areas were closed off from each other, the smoke free area was not really smoke free. At the bowling centers I bowled in, they made the lane area smoke free and smoking was allowed in the bar/lounge area.

    When the stricter ban was passed, many threatened to leave and quit bowling. While some did, they were replaced by new bowlers who took up the spots in league because they could bowl without smelling like and ashtray when they got home. Eventually most of the ones who quit came back. Smokers have learned how to get in their smokes outside between frames or games. Most run out after their 10th frame and have a quick smoke. I honestly did not hear of any business going under because of the ban.
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    Headline in the last week on msnbc.com

    States with smoking ban report fewer heart attacks.
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