Where to Stand and Spot

[noeymc]

I assume that your normal shot is straight down ten so that your approach is always parallel to the lane. When you shoot at the ten pin, do you move right and and throw a straight ball down 5? I doubt it. I move over to the left side of the approach, adjust my feet, hips, & shoulders so that I'm facing the tenpin. I'm not going to walk parallel to the lane but at an angle to it since that's the way I'm facing.

The adjustment to hit the pocket is going to be similar, just a much smaller angle. You're going to stand so you're facing your target and walk toward it. You will release the ball slightly left of normal and the ball will cross over the second arrow at a slight angle to the boards, continue out to a break point well right of the tenth board and hopefully hook back to the pocket.

i disagree here you still walk the line and try to stay on the board u started on

[HughScot]

I assume that your normal shot is straight down ten so that your approach is always parallel to the lane. When you shoot at the ten pin, do you move right and and throw a straight ball down 5? I doubt it. I move over to the left side of the approach, adjust my feet, hips, & shoulders so that I'm facing the tenpin. I'm not going to walk parallel to the lane but at an angle to it since that's the way I'm facing.

The adjustment to hit the pocket is going to be similar, just a much smaller angle. You're going to stand so you're facing your target and walk toward it. You will release the ball slightly left of normal and the ball will cross over the second arrow at a slight angle to the boards, continue out to a break point well right of the tenth board and hopefully hook back to the pocket.

Ok that is what I was looking for. I am rh and I start with my slide foot on the center mark, try and throw over the ten board (second arrow) down and hooking into the pocket. Down and in as they say. I think I heard, was told or read that if my ball is thrown correctly but it hooks too much left or not enough repeatedly I should move my feet accordingly but I wasn't sure about my spot. And I had read that my feet should remain perpendicular to the foul line except for spares. But what you are saying makes more sense.

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the comments.

[HughScot]

I see we have a difference of opinions. "i disagree here you still walk the line and try to stay on the board u started on" stated by noeymc vs J Anderson's remarks. Any thoughts.

[noeymc]

if this is going to be a argument let me make sure i clarify this you angle your body to your mark but still walk the board you started on

[billf]

[QUOTE=HughScot;88636 And I had read that my feet should remain perpendicular to the foul line except for spares.[/QUOTE]

This was true in the older days when playing straight was a requirement and still works well for classic strokers. If that's your style then instead of moving left you could move both feet and target right and play the edge. It's fun and many bowlers are too timid to play there.

As for how to move right, both John and Noah are correct. The only spot I saw somewhat inaccurate in John's description was the "walk to the target". While the body is angled Noah is correct that ideally you want to finish on the same board that you started on. Most people can angle in the approach, walk straight and then the body will automatically open back up (angle) for the shot.

Adjustment amounts are different for everybody and are influenced by the ball and layout. A late breaking, sharp break ball will need less angle from the line to the arrows to hit the same breakpoint as a wide arcing ball.

So that brings me to my next adjustment. Miss left. Move your target left. This will keep the ball in the oil slightly longer allowing for a longer skid delaying the hook. Moving the breakpoint right usually allows an earlier breakpoint with a massive, hard left turn going brooklyn.

[HughScot]

Here is what I just read by Susie Minshew a noted coach: "Walk the direction of your projection. This means that you always try to walk parallel to your ball path. If you are playing down the boards (a shot which goes in the same direction as the boards) and you started on 20, you should finish very close to 20."

"If, however, you are playing an away shot which is also known as out-and-in, bellying, and swinging the ball, you should slide toward the outside. This is not drifting. You are walking a straight line; it's just not straight with the boards. It is walking parallel to your intended ball path. Think of the path you walk and your intended ball path as being railroad tracks!"

[noeymc]

This was true in the older days when playing straight was a requirement and still works well for classic strokers. If that's your style then instead of moving left you could move both feet and target right and play the edge. It's fun and many bowlers are too timid to play there.

As for how to move right, both John and Noah are correct. The only spot I saw somewhat inaccurate in John's description was the "walk to the target". While the body is angled Noah is correct that ideally you want to finish on the same board that you started on. Most people can angle in the approach, walk straight and then the body will automatically open back up (angle) for the shot.

Adjustment amounts are different for everybody and are influenced by the ball and layout. A late breaking, sharp break ball will need less angle from the line to the arrows to hit the same breakpoint as a wide arcing ball.

So that brings me to my next adjustment. Miss left. Move your target left. This will keep the ball in the oil slightly longer allowing for a longer skid delaying the hook. Moving the breakpoint right usually allows an earlier breakpoint with a massive, hard left turn going brooklyn.

how u been bill its been a long time

[billf]

Here is what I just read by Susie Minshew a noted coach: "Walk the direction of your projection. This means that you always try to walk parallel to your ball path. If you are playing down the boards (a shot which goes in the same direction as the boards) and you started on 20, you should finish very close to 20."

"If, however, you are playing an away shot which is also known as out-and-in, bellying, and swinging the ball, you should slide toward the outside. This is not drifting. You are walking a straight line; it's just not straight with the boards. It is walking parallel to your intended ball path. Think of the path you walk and your intended ball path as being railroad tracks!"

Hold the presses, we need to tell all those pros and noted coaches that they are all wrong. Guess I will have to start further left so I can NOT DRIFT to the right. I like Susie but that's a poor excuse to drift. Where did you read this at?

[billf]

I wonder if Susie meant this for bowler's who can't get any hand in the ball. Kind of odd that on the surface (I haven't read this so don't know the context) it would seem to contradict what so many noted coaches (Kim Terrel-Kearney, Brian O'Keefe, Joe Slowinski, Ron Clifton, Ron Hatfield, John Jowdy, Fred Borden, Mark Baker, Jeri Edwards, Del Ballard, Hank Boomershine, Chuck Gardner) and when was the last time any of us saw a top level bowler walk parallel to the ball path to get the ball out? It's so far out there that there has to be something lost in translation somewhere along the way.

While some of the coaches listed say it's alright to walk parallel to the path they also say to use TWO cross over steps so you still end on the board which you started on. Walking in a modified "C" is not that uncommon, especially when first learning to get the ball out.

[billf]

Hughscott, I apologize for coming across so confrontational. What I read about Susie just seems so out of character and out of context. I posted immediately without thinking of a way to word it without sounding like an ***.