Ya her lucid is pin up and over ring finger gets Down the lane the turns hard. The Hy-Road grape grenade is pin down under ring I guess we will see how it works this of next week she's out of town and knows nothing about it . I really want to try the Marvel S. even my pro shop guy thinks it would be a good fit for what we shoot on might have to shine it up a lil. Other then that looking into some Motiv balls.