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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    One obvious question. As you said, game 1 was pretty good except for the bad shot in the 10th, so why did you change balls for game two? There's no rule says that you have to change balls each game. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
    Goes back to the whole discussion on not making a move on a bad shot.

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    In game 1 I threw a perfect shot with the Lethal Revolver in I think frame 8 and it left a flat 10-pin.

    Could it have been a bad spot? Could it have been a slight release variation due to speed or axis tilt variations? Sure.

    But...textbooks (and most coaches) would tell you that if you throw a perfect shot (or close enough) and leave a flat 10 or flat 7; the MOVE is either:
    1) (traditional theory) Your line is slightly off. Move either 1:1 right to get a little more in the dry...or move 0.5 boards right with your feet...just to straighten that line out a little.
    2) (modern theory) Your ball has lost too much energy to carry, you should go to the last line that worked and ball down to a ball that goes slightly longer and retains a little more energy.

    In Game 2, same thing happened in like the 2nd or 3rd frame on the other lane...so I started using the Dark Encounter on both lanes. But then, in the 7th frame...same thing, flat 10-pin...so I switched to the Asylum. In the 10th frame, other lane, same thing...so for Game 3 I was using the Asylum on both lanes the entire game.

    I used to just move right. Remember "Miss left, move left. Miss right, move right?" Or did we give up on that around the time we gave up on targeting closer because a closer target was easier to repeatably hit?

    And this is a new concept for me. The idea that a perfect shot will leave a flat 7/10-pin not because the ball is too weak...but because it is entering the hook/roll phases too early and not "retaining energy"...I used to just make slight lateral adjustments. Then one fateful day...I decided having an arsenal would be "cool". Now my back hurts from carrying 6 balls everywhere I go and I'm worse off performance-wise than I was using one ball. Live and learn I guess.

    Something in game must have changed. I doubt the center changed the pattern. Other players are still doing well. But this house used to have a great shot for my speed-dominant, rev-limited style when using a solid cover up the 6-8 boards. Now I can't get the ball back to the pocket. I even slowed my approach/ball speed down to the 14-17 range (versus the old 16-19 range)...and it just seems like the ball isn't moving. Maybe my rev rate is higher than I think...and the ball is just burning up. Who knows?

    I did notice that the Asylum seems to want me to move inside. It doesn't "like" the outside up-and-in shot. The problem is my revs can't get the ball back to the pocket if my left foot gets near 25 and/or my target at the arrows gets inside 12 at the arrows. I'm almost guaranteed to leave a 2-4-5 if I move that far inside. The Asylum WANTS that shot...but I can't make that shot work.

    I'm tempted to switch to where I only have 4 balls (3 and a spare) with me at each house...but I don't know which balls to bring/leave.
    Options:
    A) Leave the Asylum home. It's obviously not a ball that matches my game and most times I bring it out it carries horribly. It's the only ball of my 5 that you could say has a statistically significant lower strike rate than the other options.
    B) Leave the Loaded Revolver at home. The Melee Jab is essentially the same ball with newer technology...so why bother brining the Lo. Revolver when you rarely ever bowl on conditions dry enough where it actually gets used? On the flip side, the Lo. Revolver has the highest strike % of any ball I carry...AND, the Jab IS noticeably stronger than the Lo. Revolver primarily just due to the newer technology...so it might have a place after all.
    C) Leave the Dark Encounter at home. It's too close to the Lethal Revolver in ball specs. I've tried to polish it a bit...to create some separation...but it's a ball that doesn't hit nearly as well as the Le. Revolver and isn't as different from the Le. Revolver as I need it to be in order to truly be a good ball down option.

    Another possible theory is that my rev rate has increased...and maybe I need to stop throwing solids in the dry and start throwing some Pearls instead. Maybe start with the Jab and use it for two games, then switch to the Loaded Revolver for Game 3.

    I also think my elbow pain is due to me trying to stay under the ball and inside the ball. The old suitcase release was ineffective, but it was easy on the forearm and elbow. Trying to stay more under and behind the ball (versus releasing on top of it)...is putting stress on the tendons and ligaments running through my elbow. I think I have a moderate case of lateral epicondylitis. If I hold my arm out straight and try to make a "come hither" motion with my whole hand...fairly severe pain on the outer part of my elbow.

    I tried one of those straps you put just below your elbow...and it seemed okay...but I don't know if it did anything. I was thinking of getting a copper fit elbow brace or something...but most data shows that elbow sleeves and the like do practically nothing other than look cool.

    The problem is, like most strains of ligaments, tendons, muscles, etc... The treatment is physical therapy and rest. And I tried the home physical therapy on my left knee...after about 3 weeks it got annoying so I stopped. And unless the pain is unbearable...I'm not going to quit bowling. I'm 5 weeks away from sweeps. On the other hand, maybe I just sit out the rest of the season...let the team have my 193 average (minus 10 equals 183) and I sit it out till sweeps. It would hurt them less than my bowling has recently.
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    I might need to break down and just make a short video and post it so people can SEE the abortion that is my bowling game versus reading about it.

    I'm just hesitant because I'm new in the Monday league so I'd probably get "weird looks". I don't want the nickname "camera guy" or something. And on Wednesdays, there's no way. I already get teased every time I practice before league play or some of the guys come in and see me getting a lesson. And my team feels the same as most people on this board...that I'm trying too hard, keeping notes, practicing, getting lessons....and that all of that is a "BAD" thing and the reason for my recent slump. So I start taping myself bowling and they'll probably steal and break my camera.

    Maybe tonight. Sore elbow or not, I need to practice. So I think I'll finally make a video tonight...post it...let everyone see the GREAT PROGRESS that has been made...and yes, I'm saying that facetiously...and have no idea how to spell facetious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    I even slowed my approach/ball speed down to the 14-17 range (versus the old 16-19 range)...and it just seems like the ball isn't moving.
    Do you really see that much variation in your ball speed?
    That is just too much variance to get a consistent read on ball reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    Do you really see that much variation in your ball speed?
    That is just too much variance to get a consistent read on ball reaction.

    Just my $.02
    Not usually...but last night, with a shortened approach...occasionally I'd see a 17mph...16s. But most of the shots were in the 14-15mph range. And it must be all arm/shoulder...because I'm practically tip-toeing to the line and have very little slide. I'm "trying not to try"....which is an oxymoron...but without going to a 3-step approach or just standing at the line with no approach...I don't see what else I can do to get the speed down. And it scares me to think how hard I would be throwing it...IF...I was actually trying to throw it hard.

    In my old approach, most shots were in the high 16s...but every once in awhile...you'd see a 18...or a 19...quite a few 17s.

    I don't know why. I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm not athletic. Some guys on the site have met me...I'm not Hulk Hogan. So how I'm even throwing the ball this hard/fast...I have no clue.

    And those numbers are at the pins. The actual ball speed at release is approximately 2mph faster than that.
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    I very seriously doubt with your ball speed that burning up is this issue you are facing. It's possible but I find in unlikely. Especially since you are struggling getting the ball back to the pocket on a consistent basis and if that was the problem if you move your target in a couple of boards does the ball take off and hook? I doubt it. Hard to say without seeing but from what I hear the problem is most likely one of three things.

    1. Your turning the ball early
    2. Your not staying behind the ball and keeping enough cock/cup on the wrist
    3. Your chicken winging the ball coming around with the elbow.

    Three explains the elbow pain your having my guess is your surfing from at least 2 of the three above problems.

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    Next time you have a coaching session, have the coach film you from about 10 feet up the lane, they can be on the gutter cap between lanes and filming you. Have them focus and take a look at your face to see if you are contorting at all while you deliver the ball. I am going to guess that you are muscling the ball, vs. letting the ball and gravity do it's thing.

    This was eye opening as to how much effort I was putting into my shots vs. just letting the ball and arm swing without muscling it. Took about 20 minutes to get comfortable with a non-labored arm swing by using a training device she had(Eileen's Bowling Buddy).

    Ball speed is just another facet of a bowlers arsenal of adjustments that can get you into a lot of trouble, or out of some difficult conditions on the lanes. Knowing how and when to speed up or down will come with practice and performance on the lanes.
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    Friday Midday Practice:
    Monday Bowling Center: Medium-oil synthetics

    VIDEO TAPED: See Other Thread

    559 Series: 188-203-168
    Used the Lethal Revolver for Game 1 and half of Game 2. Then I used the Dark Encounter for a game and finished Game 3 with the Asylum. Seemed better than the scores indicate, was striking a lot, but had some multi-spare issues (4-7, 1-2-8, 2-4-5, 4-7-10, 4-6).

    599 Series: 179-232-188
    Started out with the Melee Jab because as usual, the Asylum was just not getting it done. But by the time I switched, the Jab was biting a bit too much so after only 7 frames I switched to the Loaded Revolver and then the strikes started flowing. 17 strikes in 24 frames.

    PinPal Stats:
    First Ball Average: 8.89 pins
    Strikes: 50% (5 turkeys, 5 doubles, and 8 singles)
    Spares: 59% picked up

    Single Pin spares: 88% (8/9)
    Most common single-pin leave: 7-pin (3x)
    Never left a single 1-pin, 2-pin, 4-pin, nor 8-pin.

    Multiple Pin spares: 47% (11/23)
    Most common multi-pin leaves: 2-4-5-8 bucket, 2-4-5 3/4 bucket, 6-10 (3x each)

    Splits: 20% (1/5)

    Average over 3 games: 193.00.
    Average had I picked up 100% of single pin spare leaves: 194.50.

    Felt good. I think once I started throwing the Lo. Revolver in Game 4...I started to get a better feel for my release. I think what I was doing that was causing the problems as well as the elbow pain...was trying to lift the ball with my fingers rather than just letting the ball go off my hand.

    Moved through a lot of balls...but it was the lane closest to the entrance so it usually transitions faster. I didn't change my line much though. Was targeting 9-12 the whole time and my left toe was always between 18-23.

    Didn't see much in the video. All the shots looked similar. Spare shooting was good, but not great. I picked up a 2-10 split and almost picked up the 4-6 on camera...but I also missed a 4-7, 7-pin, and chopped a 6-10 and 2-4-5...so, com si com sa.

    But now I got a little bit of confidence going into BVLs this weekend. Not gonna set the World on fire entering with a 190, but 190 is the highest in Division A so at least I know my competition all averages 190 or below.
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    Orange County USBC BVL Tournament: medium oil synthetics

    I wasn't going to do any more tournaments, but;
    1) This is more of a charity thing for veterans.
    2) Even though my average prohibits me from competing in the B Division...my average is at the top of the A Division. So while I'm not truly a 190 average bowler...I'm only going to be competing against people with 170-190 averages.

    AM SQUAD
    609 Series: 195-236-178

    Tough decision whether to start with the Lethal Revolver and move 2:1 inside or start with the Dark Encounter. Just didn't trust the DE so I started with the LeR. A 10-pin in the 2nd and a 6-7-10 split in the 3rd away from a Dutch-200. I just for the life of me couldn't figure out the left lane. The lanes usually play somewhat similar...but these were playing very different. I had a great shot on the right lane...but just couldn't carry on the left. Thought I was just losing energy so I tried the DE and even the Asylum.

    During Game 2 the Asylum seemed to be working on the left lane and the LeR was still striking on the right lane. 10 straight strikes on the right lane. Was on track for a 240s/250s game but missed my only single pin BARELY; a 7-pin in the 10th. Was surprised when I looked up and saw that despite the miss I had a respectable 236. I guess thats what happens when you knock down 97/100 pins using the strike ball (first shot).

    Game 3 went well, but two splits (my only opens) and the LeR kinda failing me (finally) in the 6th frame...pushed my scores down a bit.

    While I managed to only win back the $10 I had paid in brackets; I was the Division A leader after AM Squad but I just didn't think 609 would hold up. I figured the Division A leader would need a 690+. Last year the Division A winner only had a 628 but in 2014 that guy had a 664 and lost to a guy that ran up a 689 (my highest ever series total). I wasn't sure how much better than 609 I could do, but figured I'd ride the hot hand.

    PM SQUAD (no oiling between squads)

    596 Series: 216 (clean)-202-178

    Given they hadn't re-oiled and I was assigned the pair known to be the driest (advantage of holding the tournament where I bowl Monday leagues), I didn't even bother to take the LeR out of the bag and after some practice decided to start with the Asylum.

    After 2 straight flat 10s in frames 3 and 4 I reluctantly moved to the Melee Jab in the 5th. It's actually my favorite ball to throw, but I was reluctant because I was down to 2 balls in my arsenal and still had 26 frames on dry lanes left. But, the Jab salvaged the 200+ game with 4 strikes over 6 frames. I can't remember my last clean game so this was welcomed.

    In Game 2 I tried to fight switching balls as long as I could...probably too long because the Jab just wasn't ideal after 4 frames and I kept using it for 4 more before moving to the Loaded Revolver to finish things off. Only open was on a 2-7 baby split I barely missed picking up.

    And apparently there's some rule that in Game 3, I always throw a 178. And it wasn't the ball....the LoR was actually punishing the pocket almost as much as the Melee Jab...but I started making bad shots...missing a bit. Was still doing well, but after 5 frames I was WAY inside my comfort zone...we're talking left toe on nearly 35 and me targeting as far inside as 18-19. For someone who hates playing left of 20 and aiming left of about 12...it was distressing. But, only two opens...a 6-7 split in the 7th and my ONLY non-split multi-pin chop of the entire day when I just didn't get enough hand in the shot and chopped the 5-pin off the 2-4-5. Actually, in the 3rd ball of the 10th I also chopped the 8-pin off the 2-4-8 if ya count that one.

    PinPal Stats:
    First Ball Average: 9.15 (AM) and 9.09 (PM) pins
    Strikes: 54% (AM) and 42% (PM)
    (1 4-bagger, 4 turkeys, 2 doubles, 12 singles)

    Spares: 71% (AM) and 76% (PM) picked up

    Single Pin spares: 88% (AM and 100% (PM) (17/18)
    Most common single pin leaves: 10-pin (8x each).
    Never left a single 1-pin, 3-pin, nor 8-pin.

    Multiple Pin spares: 40% (AM) 50% (PM) (4/13)
    Most common multi-pin leave: 6-10 (3x)

    Splits: 0% (0/5)

    Average over 6 games: 200.83.
    Average had I picked up 100% of single pin spare leaves: 202.84.

    Lead the Division after AM squad but one guy I was bowling with in the PM is the defending champion and appears to be a bit of sandbagger since his average was 178 and he was pretty darn good. But, I had him bested in Game 1 and was still ahead of him in total pinball after 2 games....but he put on a much better showing in the 3rd game and set the new Division score to beat at about 636 or 633.

    Debating about going back tomorrow. I guess thats a lie...I'm not really debating. I live next door, I kinda have to go. I don't think I can put up much higher than maybe 654...but it's only $25 a pop and it's a good cause. My knee is okay. My elbow is sore but manageable.

    I'll get into the more "details" of whats going better in either the video thread or the Diary thread (or probably both).

    Wish me luck! The great thing about the BVL is if you win your division at the association level, you represent your association in that division at the State BVL and you get a shirt and stuff. I never finished 1st, but did finish 2nd in the Citrus Belt BVL in Division A and 3rd in the Orange County BVL Division B. I actually got asked to represent the Citrus Belt last year in Division A but it was the same weekend as my sweeps (for both leagues) in Vegas. I still would have done it if it was Division B; but I had no business in Division A...that was a sport shot adjustment chart error. I wasn't going to miss out on sweeps and possible $$$ to go to Sacramento 6.5 hours and get trounced and then drive 6.5 hours back home.
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    Good luck tomorrow some nice scores there

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