Why am I leaving this spare??

[dnhoffman]

According to what I read online...it could be that by dulling the surface a little (1000 grit), that can lead to "rolling out". So I tried to combat the ball being soaked in oil by scuffing it a little and now I have a different issue. It was also wood lanes, lower oil...also things that lead to "rolling out".

But...the problem is...the solutions.
1) Polish ball. Works great except now you have the oil soaking in issue.
2) Try to create more revs. Works great except it'll mess with your delivery and hand position and probably cause you to top or pull the ball left.
3) Carry 6 different balls for the various types of lane conditions, odds are one will react better on that particular lane. Works great...but I shouldn't need an "arsenal" to bowl. I'm not going to the PBA World Championships for crying out loud.

Now...what "may" have solved the problem...as you notice if you saw my score update...I was bowling in the 120s, leaving a lot of these 1-2-4-7-10 spares...but I finished with a 181. Suddenly not as many of those spares. The change? More "snap"...a more vertical arm movement...a more natural delivery...more balance. In other words, I "think" I was able to create more revs by simply throwing with a better overall release/twist/follow-through. We'll see on Thursday...but in that last game...even though the ball has lost some reactivity on the back end since I bought it....it did seem to be moving a little more once I got my whole swing/release/follow-through/balance worked out.

So I watched your videos, and your release is, in my opinion, your real problem. All these. Equipment changes aren't going to help you until your mechanics are sound and repeatable. Let got of the equipment changes because they are distracting you from the real problem.

I don't think your ball is rolling out, I think that most of the time your release is is spinning the ball down lane. Sometimes you have a smoother release where your fingers lift the ball and it comes off clean and the ball goes through skid/hook/roll, like on your strike shot video.

Is your coach certified? Does he/she use video? The release is one of the hardest things to master, because of its subtlety, but once you have it down you won't need a Storm Sync to make a ball move, and you'll understand the subtle differences in equipment.p

Also, ditch the jean shorts

[Aslan]

So I watched your videos, and your release is, in my opinion, your real problem. All these. Equipment changes aren't going to help you until your mechanics are sound and repeatable. Let got of the equipment changes because they are distracting you from the real problem.

I don't think your ball is rolling out, I think that most of the time your release is is spinning the ball down lane. Sometimes you have a smoother release where your fingers lift the ball and it comes off clean and the ball goes through skid/hook/roll, like on your strike shot video.

Is your coach certified? Does he/she use video? The release is one of the hardest things to master, because of its subtlety, but once you have it down you won't need a Storm Sync to make a ball move, and you'll understand the subtle differences in equipment.p

Also, ditch the jean shorts

Again....and I rock the jean shorts so...but whatever...those videos are the "old" approach. I have changed it because I didn't like:
1) The excessive loft.
2) I don't like being that upright and rigid.
3) The shorter approach...I feel like it was too condensed.

Yes the coach is certified. He does use video. For some reason he didn't like me getting lower and my shoulder tilting...he's a big fan of a condensed approach, higher loft, straight up and down approach.

[Bunny]

Again....and I rock the jean shorts so...but whatever...those videos are the "old" approach. I have changed it because I didn't like:
1) The excessive loft.
2) I don't like being that upright and rigid.
3) The shorter approach...I feel like it was too condensed.

Yes the coach is certified. He does use video. For some reason he didn't like me getting lower and my shoulder tilting...he's a big fan of a condensed approach, higher loft, straight up and down approach.

Sorry, but that guy/coach sounds totally retarded.

He don't make no sense! (Said with a southern drawl.)

My recommendation is to take one private lesson with Mark Baker and go his saturday $10 clinics for tune-ups.

[Aslan]

My recommendation is to take one private lesson with Mark Baker and go his saturday $10 clinics for tune-ups.

Well...not sure I can afford private lessons with him...but I am planning on being there for the $10 lessons Saturday morning!!

[noeymc]

According to what I read online...it could be that by dulling the surface a little (1000 grit), that can lead to "rolling out". So I tried to combat the ball being soaked in oil by scuffing it a little and now I have a different issue. It was also wood lanes, lower oil...also things that lead to "rolling out".

But...the problem is...the solutions.
1) Polish ball. Works great except now you have the oil soaking in issue.
2) Try to create more revs. Works great except it'll mess with your delivery and hand position and probably cause you to top or pull the ball left.
3) Carry 6 different balls for the various types of lane conditions, odds are one will react better on that particular lane. Works great...but I shouldn't need an "arsenal" to bowl. I'm not going to the PBA World Championships for crying out loud.

Now...what "may" have solved the problem...as you notice if you saw my score update...I was bowling in the 120s, leaving a lot of these 1-2-4-7-10 spares...but I finished with a 181. Suddenly not as many of those spares. The change? More "snap"...a more vertical arm movement...a more natural delivery...more balance. In other words, I "think" I was able to create more revs by simply throwing with a better overall release/twist/follow-through. We'll see on Thursday...but in that last game...even though the ball has lost some reactivity on the back end since I bought it....it did seem to be moving a little more once I got my whole swing/release/follow-through/balance worked out.

i carry 5 bowling balls with me lane oil is normally the same but humidity temp what lines the other bowlers all come into play there rev rate your rev rate speed alot goes into this any way i can get a video to see how u bowl and this is going to sound like a dick move but everyone bowls a good game now and then you might have just carried enough that game to leave less spares theres so much that goes into this i wouldn't make any surface changes to your bowling balls id just move your on a house shot u can pretty much play any where but a video would help me a lot in helping you

[Bunny]

Well...not sure I can afford private lessons with him...but I am planning on being there for the $10 lessons Saturday morning!!

Just take 1 private lesson with him.

Then go for Saturday clinic once or twice a month.

Every Saturday can be a bit much if you haven't practiced a lot during the week. (Like me!)

Not sure Mark will be there this Saturday. He hasn't been there the last two weeks. (Maybe back on Oct 2nd?) Hall of Famer Barry Asher will be however. Last week I also got some personal tips from some guy that was a PBA Bowler in 90-92 (and some crazy stories about some famous bowlers back then.)

It was very cool!!!

I know for sure Mark will be back by Friday Oct 4th 'cause I bought a lesson with him for my husband for his Birthday!!

[GoodGravy]

Just throwing in my 2 cents-----

I didn't read all of the posting, just to lazy, but I also use a Frantic as my main ball so I can give my experiences using this equipment. What I can say is that the Frantic has a TON of back end on it if you drill it aggressively. Depending on lane conditions, I have used every board from 8-20 as a target to get it to the pocket. My biggest problem is that I get too much hook at the end and the results are either a bunch of splits or hits left of the head pin.

I just say this because the RS2 hybrid cover stock on this ball is a monster and pairs great with the N.O.S weight block. I would suspect that a small tweak on your release or a new drill pattern and your world will open up!

[Aslan]

Just throwing in my 2 cents-----

I didn't read all of the posting, just to lazy, but I also use a Frantic as my main ball so I can give my experiences using this equipment. What I can say is that the Frantic has a TON of back end on it if you drill it aggressively. Depending on lane conditions, I have used every board from 8-20 as a target to get it to the pocket. My biggest problem is that I get too much hook at the end and the results are either a bunch of splits or hits left of the head pin.

I just say this because the RS2 hybrid cover stock on this ball is a monster and pairs great with the N.O.S weight block. I would suspect that a small tweak on your release or a new drill pattern and your world will open up!

I don't know man. I know the ball CAN move. I saw the video online, saw another youtube video, even saw an old asian guy throwing it super slow along the right side of the lane and there was movement. But mine goes straight as an arrow on synthetics with only a slight flare on wood lanes. And the pro I worked with yesterday morning saw the ball and said, "yeah, you need a new ball. That ball isn't going to hook much...you don't really need a spare ball since that one goes so straight."

If I can figure out how to attach a pic, I'll attach a pic of it as far as pin position, etc...

[vdubtx]

Aslan,from watching a couple of your videos again, the way you loft the ball is the reason you are not seeing any reaction of the ball. All it has a chance to do once it lands is skids and struggle to get into a roll.

Try delivering the ball closer to the foul line. Can still loft a bit if more comfortable, but maybe a loft of 2' or so.

Also, your ball is filthy. Could be too much oil has soaked into it and could use a Rejuventor session in the pro shop.

[Aslan]

@vdub

I've been working on that. My loft isn't that high anymore. But it's still higher than average. As I said in a previous thread...I struggle releasing it low and earlier because it tends to go right or left. The higher loft forces me to keep my shoulders straight....and the ball goes straight.

On wood lanes, I can loft it and still get it to hook back into the pocket. On synthetics I can't. It's a harder, slicker surface and like you pointed out, I can't get the ball to start rotating enough to get a hook at the end.

The "dilemma" is...I can't seem to get it to hook releasing earlier either. And multiple people have told me that ball just doesn't have the reaction to move much on synthetic surfaces. So...if I'm going to throw a straight ball....regardless of where I release it...does it matter where I release it? One of my coaching sessions the guy said, "as long as your arm is moving in a straight line/arc...the ball will hit the same target no matter where you release it." So if thats true...a high loft may actually be better.

But...still working on it. On synthetics I'm trying to get down more and release it sooner...but trying as hard as I can to keep my shoulders straight. So far, not having much success...but a work in progress. And I AM getting it rejuvinated/resurfaced this coming weekend. The picture makes it look darker than it really is...but it's overdue for reconditioning.