No tap leagues are a blast. make for a fun time.
just hav to make sure you still proctice 1 pin spares for regular league
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Dang, if my league was a no tap league, there would be a TON of 300s.Originally Posted by Perrin
No tap leagues are a blast. make for a fun time.
just hav to make sure you still proctice 1 pin spares for regular league
I mean, every week in my current league, there are at least a couple perfect games. Crazy!
That seems like a lot for one league at one alley. I might be wrong though. The Free Press used to publish 300 games in the Detroit area each week. And I think it ranged from 1-5 to 30-40 per week. But that seems high as well.
For some reason I thought that in the modern era with easier lane conditions and stronger equipment that bowling alleys tended to have 2/month (300 games). Thats 12 months per year...6400 bowling alleys in the US...thats over 150,000 (300) games per year. For some reason, I thought it was closer to 13,000/year. And if you're saying your one LEAGUE has 2/week...thats 104/year just for one league. If you have 6 leagues going...and lets say 3 of them are sanctioned/decent competition as I'm sure your's is...thats over 300 perfect games per year for that one alley. If every alley had that same situation, thats just shy of 2 million perfect games per year. And thats gotta be wrong.
Does anyone know any of those kinda statistics? I looked on the USBC site, but I couldn't find anything. Wikipedia had some historical numbers from the 60s, 70s, 80s....but I didn't see anything current. I know the 6393 (number of alleys) is close to correct...but I can't find decent stats on 300 games per year, state, alley, etc... Does anyone else that has been doing leagues for quite some time have even a "feel" for it in terms of how many have happened at your alleys over the years? Curious. Does 13,000 sound more right? Or 2/month (150,000/year)? Or is what Zax is witnessing (2.0 million/year) more likely?
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Aslan, I think you drastically over-estimate how easy it is for a great bowler to bowl a 300. I understand why you do, but just know, when you reach a certain level, bowling on a house pattern with equipment that continues to get better is easy. A lot of the time, what dictates a 300 or not for said bowlers is whether or not they get robbed and leave a corner pin. I just didn't like your comment a few days ago saying when someone says they bowled a high series or high game you automatically assume it's a lie. I believe everyone on here, including myself and excluding one other guy we all know of by now, tell the truth. For you to just say, "Wow, that series is too high, can't be true" or "wow, they bowled multiple 300's in x amount of time!? no way" is rather insulting.
I don't claim to be the best bowler in the world. In fact, I'm far from it. As someone who just started bowling again in December 2011, and who spent almost every other day in the bowling alley trying to perfect my game, I know the hard work I put in. At the time I started bowling again (after a 5 year break), I was averaging about 206, and I had never been that good in my life prior to that point. After practicing all that time, it raised to 220-225ish just in half a year. This last summer league I averaged about 230, and now 15 games into this winter league (which is still VERY early and my average will likely go down) I'm averaging 244. So when I say I've bowled ten 300's (5 sanctioned, 5 practice) and five 800's (3 sanctioned, 2 practice) since December 2011, I'd like for the people, including you, to not just assume it's a lie. I could post my USBC number, I could post my trophies, rings, etc, but why do I have to prove myself? Still, if you insist, I gladly will post everything. In fact, I believe I already have posted one of my rings on here at some point. The point of that wasn't to list my accolades and brag, not at all. I just want you to understand how quickly it can be for some people to learn to bowl well, if they put in the time.
What I'm trying to say is, it's just not as hard as you think. Me and MICHAEL bowled in a summer league this year with a bunch of high rollers. On ONE NIGHT, we had five 300's and three 800's rolled on the league. On any other week, you could expect at least one 300 from someone in the league, but obviously not every week. Just don't write people off as liars, it's a bad character trait. If you suspect they are lying, maybe politely ask if you can see proof.
Last edited by JaMau24; 10-02-2013 at 04:44 PM.
Is it possible anymore to just have a discussion and answer questions without people getting offended for one reason or another?? I mean, for crying out loud!!
I didn't call ANYONE a liar...I could repost the thread if you'd like...which is right there. I MERELY ASKED how common people think a 300 game is. It was simply a question. It's simply mathematics. For crying out loud...enough already. According to extrapolations based on what I thought, what I saw in the newspaper, and what Zax posted....there could be anywhere from 13,000 to 150,000 to 2 million 300 games bowled each year. For roughly 2-5 million sanctioned bowlers. I'm just asking for an opinion on...from you vast experience...what you think that number might be. Is that a crime? Is it so so very hard to just give an honest opinion without attacking someone? Is there any question I AM allowed to ask in this forum that won't spark a personal insult/attack?
I say I don't like 2-handed bowling...attacked.
I post about my struggles with my game recently...attacked.
I ask about PBA bowlers people tend to emulate...attacked.
I ask how common a 300 game is these days...attacked.
You say you're Michel's bowling buddy...Michel is the one that called out a guy for lieing about his average and accomplishments. Go rant about how you don't like your accolades questioned to him...not me. I never questioned your skills. I merely stated that on the internet I assume most people embellish or lie. I don't. I guess I should...since posting my honest average got me mocked in a couple threads...but I don't see the point in it.
Like I said in the last thread...for the sake of the forum...and to honer a request made by a moderator already...if you really, really want to attack me...please do...but please do it via PM. I don't care....I really, really don't. I can give as well as I get. But this public bullying is getting nauseating. Are we giving away a free ball to people who contribute to bowling discussions...or to the forum member who can come up with the most ways to attack Aslan in a week??
All you had to do was say, "I think 300s are quite common. My alley sees 6/week x 52 weeks...probably over 300 per year...6400 alleys...I think Zax's experience holds true and there are roughly just under 2 million per year." Look how easy that was! It was a valuable opinion...by an experienced bowler...and it was on topic...and there was no hidden insults or "jabs". Totally civil. Come on people...play nice!!
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Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
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Aslan, please, don't play the victim man. I didn't and I'm not attacking you personally. I was merely pointing out that great scores are obviously more common than you think. I also let you know I thought it was wrong how you just assume peoples good scores are phony.
This is from you:
"On the other hand...I firmly believe that literally 80% of the scores people post on here are made up. Far too many multiple 300, 900 series, and "last night I bowled 289-246-276"s. I mean, either this site is a place for the most elite bowlers in the United States to congregate or we got quite a bit of "fishing stories". So as to what you said e-tank...I just assume most of them are lies and move past it."
You say you didn't call anyone a liar.. Yeah, not directly, but what does this insinuate? That a lot of us are liars, right?
and
"I think, and Iceman can speak for himself obviously, but I think your response touched on a few things that beneath the surface of the frustration. Things that you are used to, that younger members may be used to which is the whole online universe. To young people, the internet is like a giant game of Sims...where you can be whoever you want and say whatever you want and you'll never have to answer for it.
You said you don't do it because you have nothing to gain from it. But remember, many people with small lives or who are unhappy with themselves...they NEED some outlet where they can feel loved, adored, important, etc... As sad as that sounds...the internet is full of people who DO need to come in forums like this and claim they threw 7 300 games and have a 215 average...because they WANT others to think they're important...because in real life they aren't."
This goes back to the fact that you think it's some sort of crazy, impossible feat to have seven 300's and a 215 average. Those scores aren't that hard for great bowlers, especially over a long period of time. You don't have to be "elite". Again, you know what I've done in my short career at the age of 24, but trust me, I don't at all consider myself "elite".
Have people lied on this site? I'm sure they have. Do people continue to lie? Possibly, I don't know.
That being said, for you to just generalize anyone that posts good scores frequently as "liars" and that it is a "fishing story" because you can't see why good bowlers would want to join in on the discussion on this site, is just ridiculous. There has been at least one occurrence of someone making up their scores, but you shouldn't just assume everyone else is too because they have ridiculous averages or bowl crazy high games. It just isn't fair to everyone else, and as I said, it's insulting.
If you "firmly believe that literally 80% of the scores people post on here are made up." why would you want to even be around all of us?
Bottom line, I believe you should give everyone the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming it's bologna. If you have your doubts, ask for proof. No one has given you any reason to believe they are lying except for one person.
Again, don't act like I'm attacking you personally, because I'm not. I just want you to recognize some of the things you said, and realize how insulting it is for people that do have high averages on this site and do bowl big games.
To the MOD - There is no reason to lock this thread. No one is getting personal. I haven't, and I won't.
Last edited by JaMau24; 10-02-2013 at 06:40 PM.
A few seasons back on the mens league here (32 , 5 man teams), they had 7 -300 games, a 166 ave. guy had a 960 something handicap series and I think there 2-800 series And that was all on the first night of the league! over half of that league had a 200+ ave.
The next week I think there was like 4-300's, and I'd say at least half of those 300's were shot by bowlers who never shot one before.
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Hey man...like I said, if people have a problem, please feel free to PM. I'm just trying to be sympathetic to the rest of the forum and the moderators. You probably got the worst of my "wrath" just because this was literally the 4th or 5th thread where a handful of people took it right off topic and made it personal. I was asking about opinions on scores...not your opinion of my view of the internet.
I stand by my previous comments, including supporting your fellow bowler friend Iceman that it's pretty easy to back things up with the USBC ID number in your signature...and I'll leave it at that.
It sounds like bowl1820 is in agreement...I guess 300 games, 800 series, and 900 series are far more common than I thought. I still don't think the total each year is 150,000 to 2 million. I haven't seen any stats to that effect. But like I asked, if anyone knows of a place that has those stats...please share.
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Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
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This article is a few years old, but it has some of the numbers you are looking for....
http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...-way-too-easy/
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The two houses I bowl in have probably a couple dozen a year each. not counting people that bowl more than 1.
800's are less frequent but still happen relatively often.
I don't know know any 900 series ever being bowled here
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