Question to PRO SHOP OWNERS, about bowling ball surface1

[bowl1820]

Global uses Neat pads

Four distinct surfaces can be created using a series of steps. The “N” surfaces uses the roughest pad (Black), “E” surfaces use the next pad (Blue), “A” surfaces uses a smoother pad (Green), and “T” surfaces use the smoothest pad (Yellow). The sequence of steps for each surface is listed below and represents how each surface is prepared during manufacturing.
“N” = 60u 3M Trizact + 50u 3M Trizact + 40u 3M Trizact +30u 3M Trizact + “N” Black

“E” = 60u 3M Trizact + 40u 3M Trizact + 20u 3M Trizact + “E” Blue

“A” = 50u 3M Trizact + 30u 3M Trizact + 20u 3M Trizact +5u 3M Trizact + “A” Green

“T” = 50u 3M Trizact + 30u 3M Trizact + 20u 3M Trizact +5u 3M Trizact + “T” Yellow

Read this

http://www.900global.com/index.php/c...echnology.html

[MICHAEL]

thanks for the interesting info! If you were doing the freight train, and are using the pads, which you know I have form 180 up to 4000,,,what steps would you follow!
I am going to give it a test tonight on league, its that 14lber my wife gave me, (freight train), looking for close to out of box,,, using my RED PADs... LOL,,,just a little joke, theirs having colors for those that cant read...(...

If I understand you, correctly:

Start with the 500, do 4 sides

then go 1000, 4 sides

then go 2000 4 sides

then go 4000 4 sides, and that would give me the 1500 out of box, (or close to it), that the ball came with! Using my pads alb...

[MICHAEL]

With all the different pads and papers,,,, each with their own specific tweak, there should be a conversion chart for those that don't want to purchase their proprietary brand name of surface conditioning. Sure its out there for some, but now what about the Global pads,,, how to each of them beak down into the form of say the abralon pad? I can think of at least 4 different types of surfacing devises, all different, and may proprietary... (I wounder why LOL)!

We need a scale that shows the conversions!! for all of them... (

[bowl1820]

As for the freight train if you dont have neat pads, I'd just do the storm steps for a 1500 surface. Should be pretty close.

Heres my grit chart, it doesnt have the neat pads but compares a lot them

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Elitefro...grit_chart.pdf

[bowl1820]

Heres a good comment about

These compounds, Rough Buff & Step 2 & clean'n sheen, are more like ultra aggressive polishes. They smooth out the underlying surface very quickly and very aggressively and then they add a small dose of polish. Normal abrasive polishes, like Brunswick Factory Finish High gloss polish and Storm's Xtra Shine, have abrasives in the polish, but their main job is polish. They do smooth the surface but not as much nor as aggressively as RB and Step 2.

[Terrier]

bowl1820, got a question for you. I have a Storm Sync. On Storm's site, it says it is factory surfaced at 4000-grit "pad". On bowlingball.com, it says 4000-grit Abralon. According to the pdf comparing grits, Abralon 4000 is equivalent to 1500 grit sandpaper. Is that an oversight by bowlingball.com?

Hmm.. I've also got a Roto Grip Defiant Soul. On their site and on bowlingball.com, they both say 4000-grit Abralon. Kind of left wondering why Roto Grip says abralon and Storm says "grit."

[bowl1820]

bowl1820, got a question for you. I have a Storm Sync. On Storm's site, it says it is factory surfaced at 4000-grit "pad". On bowlingball.com, it says 4000-grit Abralon. According to the pdf comparing grits, Abralon 4000 is equivalent to 1500 grit sandpaper. Is that an oversight by bowlingball.com?

Hmm.. I've also got a Roto Grip Defiant Soul. On their site and on bowlingball.com, they both say 4000-grit Abralon. Kind of left wondering why Roto Grip says abralon and Storm says "grit."

There's no oversight, They are both the same. A 4000-grit "Pad" is just referring to a 4000 grit Abralon "Pad". They just didn't happen to say abralon in what you read.

Here's storms step for resurfacing it says Abralon
4000-grit Factory Finish
1. 500-grit Abralon® – Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
2. 2000-grit Abralon – Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
3. 4000-grit Abralon – Sand lightly for 5 seconds on all four sides.

[Terrier]

I see those instructions are the same as the Sync tech sheet (link), which also simply says pad without specifying Abralon/Siaair. May I ask from where you copied those instructions?

Just looked at a couple other new balls and didn't find Abralon specified on their pdfs. So should I just assume that Storm and Rotogrip balls refer to Abralon/Siaair pads when they specify a certain grit? Kind of unnerving because I always assumed that they used Abralon. Then, I read this thread, actually looked it up on Storm's website, and found no mention of Abralon. :\

[bowl1820]

I see those instructions are the same as the Sync tech sheet (link), which also simply says pad without specifying Abralon/Siaair. May I ask from where you copied those instructions?

From the Storm Bowling Product and Maintenance Guide, I posted a link to it a few posts back. But here it is again
http://www.stormbowling.com/docs/bal...uide2011lr.pdf

Just looked at a couple other new balls and didn't find Abralon specified on their pdfs. So should I just assume that Storm and Rotogrip balls refer to Abralon/Siaair pads when they specify a certain grit?

Yes, Abralon has become pretty much the standard. I guess they just assumed every body knew when they say pad they are referring to abralon.

Kind of unnerving because I always assumed that they used Abralon. Then, I read this thread, actually looked it up on Storm's website, and found no mention of Abralon. :\

No where in this thread did we say they didn't use abralon. (At least that's how this sounds like its saying)


Looking at the Storm site, it just looks like they dropped the word Abralon from the new stuff and are just shortening it to pad. Maybe because "Abralon" is a Trademark name or because you could use another pad like Siaair.

[Terrier]

Much thanks for your patient answers, bowl.

I became concerned while reading how Storm Step 2's coarseness is given in sandpaper grit equivalents. It made me think, "Surely, the out-of-box preparation is given in terms of Abralon." When I went to look it up, it turns out to simply say "4000-grit pad" in multiple pdfs I found for various new products. I look up sanding disks for my woodworking interest every now and then, so pad does not necessarily equate to Abralon in my mind. Anyway, it's weird that Step 2 isn't in terms of Abralon. That's what threw me for a loop, as you can see.