Recent technique videos for noeymc

[Hampe]

…and then at SOME point…the hand must either move outside or up the side of the ball to create revolutions. Without that movement…the hand will stay behind the ball through the release and you'll have a straight ball. Am I right or wrong?

Well, you're kind of wrong .

You don't want to come around the outside of the ball during the release, since this will cause the ball to rotate too much sideways. This will still cause the ball to hook, but not quite the way we want it to. Normally you'll want it to be rotating at an angle (diagonally). Like sprocket said, this is achieved through having your wrist cocked.....when you follow through the release your wrist should straighten out but still be behind the ball. If you want to see some good examples of what I mean check out 7:20-8:14 of the "analysis of the modern 10 swing/release" video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5nnDbV0znE&t=7m20s). Now, these are pros, so don't expect to be able to have the same amount of wrist cock (insert Beavis and Butthead laugh) as they do, but the first example shows perfectly what we're talking about. Fagan uncocks his wrist and goes straight through the ball. At no point is is hand going around the outside or up the side of it.

Now, if your wrist is straight through the whole release, and you come through the back of the ball, then yes, it will just roll straight.

[Aslan]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand this??

I've watched that modern bowling swing like 40 times and I can't figure out how leaving your hand behind the ball doesn't just make the ball go end over end, straight as an arrow.

I completely don't understand "cupping your wrist". And it seems like with the fingers in the inside quadrant...you'd get "less" revs than if you go all the way up the side of the ball. Is the ball revving in a more sideways direction (going up the side) really all that bad compared to that type of "45 degree roll" that you see in the video? Didn't everyone older than 30 learn how to ball with the whole "handshake with the ceiling" type of release?

I'm gonna try and take some videos tonight...maybe if I can get a little pre-league practice in...see if I can't keep my hand more behind the ball. But man...it just doesn't look right. Maybe I'm such a traditionalist....I just can't grasp the concept. How do you cup the wrist if you wear a non-poseable wrist guard??

Thanks for the "help" guys...now I'm REALLY confused. I'm just gonna close my eyes and throw...or maybe perfect the "between your legs" throw. I'll be the Belmo of between your legs bowling!!

[J Anderson]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand this??

I completely don't understand "cupping your wrist". And it seems like with the fingers in the inside quadrant...you'd get "less" revs than if you go all the way up the side of the ball. Is the ball revving in a more sideways direction (going up the side) really all that bad compared to that type of "45 degree roll" that you see in the video? Didn't everyone older than 30 learn how to ball with the whole "handshake with the ceiling" type of release?

I'm gonna try and take some videos tonight...maybe if I can get a little pre-league practice in...see if I can't keep my hand more behind the ball. But man...it just doesn't look right. Maybe I'm such a traditionalist....I just can't grasp the concept. How do you cup the wrist if you wear a non-poseable wrist guard??

In one of Norm Dukes videos he mentions that if the fingers start on the inside of the ball and rotate to underneath at release it will give it the rotation needed to hook. on the non poseable wrist guard I think they only keep your wrist from going backward.

[BOWLWEST73]

Looks like from the loft and thumb sticking problem that you may have a fit issue and are gripping the ball too much.

[Aslan]

Looks like from the loft and thumb sticking problem that you may have a fit issue and are gripping the ball too much.

Thats a possibility. Sometimes I have the tendency to grip the ball too much.

I was going to try to keep my hand behind the ball during leagues tonight but ran into some other problems so I'll save it till Monday practice.

[bowl1820]

I think where my difference/problem is….is that I'm moving up the side of the ball perhaps "too" early in the swing/release? If I look at the video in slow motion, I can see my hand behind the ball…but as I get < 45 degrees from my slide leg…thats when I start rotating my hand. Is rotating earlier bad? I'll try to see if I can release later tomorrow before/during league. Thanks.

Yes your turning your hand way too early. Looking at this image of the moment of your release:


Here you can see your thumb just coming out and your wrist broke back with your hand on top of the ball.

This is close to whats called a suitcase release. (your hand is close to the same position as it would be when holding the handle of a suitcase.).

In that position you'll have very little leverage on the ball, which imparts the least amount power to the ball.

That's why your having to play down the outside in the drier areas and why the bowl doesn't hook much in the oil/slicker areas.


You were also off balance on your first shot, that's why you fell to the right after your release. You had better balance on the spare shot so were able to post the shot better. Try to have that balance on your first ball.

Here's a close up of the hand with a basic release.

[Aslan]

Well, thanks to everyone for the help! Hopefully I'm not being too frustrating. I'm committed to trying to improve my release to a more modern (or at least transitional) style to get better revs and better track to the pocket with better power. I'm just struggling on how. But I'll keep working on it. Gonna take a look at the videos from Friday Night and see what I can see…possibly post them. Then I gotta try and get my ball drilled tomorrow since I destroyed mine during league play.

Since I'm really struggling getting my hand to the inside quadrant and struggling with the modern bowling release, I've been watching a lot of Walter Ray. If you look at some of his slow motion release stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVbClQwDASM

He seems to have a release closer to mine. But if you look at some other of his stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAQj2H1u25U, it seems like he's definitely more behind the ball than I am…so I still have some work to do.

And yes, I know Walter Ray will be the first one to tell you not to emulate his style, but we're both similar body types and if his style can win him 47 titles and a Top 2 spot in the Hall of Fame…I guess being "close" to the way he does it can't be all that bad.

[zdawg]

I didn't see this one posted, apologies if it has been but I've been watching it and I found it pretty helpful as they show the releases in slow motion/HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgtfJ72akg8

[Aslan]

Here's more videos!! Didn't have a great night. Lost my ball due to a weird gutter that launched it into the pin setter. So I had to use the Rhythm all night for strikes and spares…and usually I don't even use it at all on these lane conditions.



Been working on Joe Slowinski's DYDS method, so that's why my initial stance and approach is noticeably different than past videos. Downside to trying that approach/swing is if you don't get your shoulders back parallel you have a tendency to throw it in the gutter…which you'll see a couple times.

Started out around the 8-board and slowly over the course of the first 5-6 videos moved right. Tried to play inside in the 7th or so video, but the Rhythm just doesn't have that ability to go long to the breaking point and come back, especially with my low revs. So I went back to the 6-9 board but added speed and loft.

Didn't work on the release much during league play…with all the other **** going bad…had too much going on in my head to concentrate on another thing…but will work on that a great deal during tomorrow's practice (if I can get Mike White to drill me a ball today).

[sprocket]

Mommy, I'm scared.....