Recent technique videos for noeymc

[vdubtx]

Said it before and will say it again, the loft is killing you. Stop with the loft, it's not needed for the way you play yet. Learn to roll the ball vs. throw it.

[tr33frog]

The position of your hand on release is inconsistent and still not behind the ball very often. The one thing that stuck out for me was the starting position of the ball. At one point the POV was from the left and I could see the ball, why are you not it starting with it to your right instead of center or left of you? You are having to swing it around you right off the bat.

[Aslan]

Said it before and will say it again, the loft is killing you. Stop with the loft, it's not needed for the way you play yet. Learn to roll the ball vs. throw it.

You're right and I'm working on it. I actually can't tell how bad the release is until I see the video. When I'm doing it, it feels like I'm going from behind up the side. But when I watch it in slow motion on the video I can see where in nearly every video I'm rotating my hand to the outside of the but my wrist appears to bent back. I'm going to have start cupping my wrist more. Thanks though. Working on it.

The one thing that stuck out for me was the starting position of the ball. At one point the POV was from the left and I could see the ball, why are you not it starting with it to your right instead of center or left of you? You are having to swing it around you right off the bat.

DYDS: "Drop Your Damn Shoulder" technique starts the ball from inside to outside. It's supposedly more biomechanically sound. So because I'm trying to work with that technique; there are 3 things I'm doing differently (intentionally):

1) Head moved to the right.
2) Ball starts out low and left side of the body with more of a "delayed hinge" movement.
3) A change from 4-step to 5-step where the ball doesn't immediately get pushed out.

You're right; traditional bowlers always had the ball in the center of body mass or out to the right (for righties) and then you do the whole "pendulum swing". But the DYDS technique has it more on the opposite side of the body. At least I "think so". I've only been doing it for 6 days so I'm probably not doing it correctly much less mastered it.

[Hampe]

I'm with Vdub....the most glaring thing is you're still chucking the ball too much. Just roll it man.....nice and easy.

[Aslan]

I'm with Vdub....the most glaring thing is you're still chucking the ball too much. Just roll it man.....nice and easy.

Also, one quick note...in the final TWO frames in that video; the loft and speed was intentional. That ball isn't very good for wood lanes that start to dry up so I tried to move inside...but the ball aint very good for that either...then to close out game 3 I moved back to board 6-11 area and increased the speed and loft to get it further down the lane before the ball started hooking.

That ball I have very good success with on synthetics with medium oil...but because it's symmetric and even MORE so because it has a matte solid coverstock, it wants to start into the arc too soon. It doesn't want to wait to hit the break point and then snap back into the pocket. So on low oil or wood, it's very difficult (especially with my low rev rate) to get that ball to go long. "Chucking" it with a tad more speed (you'll notice the ball in those last 2 frames started higher up, intentionally) makes it go just a little long before it starts to make it's move. And realize, my other ball was destroyed so going to my bag and getting my other ball wasnt an option.

But yes...I'm working on getting it down sooner. Because I'm tall, "rolling" it means I need to really bend that slide foot knee...or else I just drop it. But, I've watched a lot of video on WRW and to a lesser extent Mika, who are both tall...and they seem to be able to get it down sooner...so it must be possible. Release and getting it down sooner are my two priorities right now...gonna get some practice in tonight with the newly drilled ball (replacing the Frantic (R.I.P.))...see how it goes.

[BOWLWEST73]

I am also working on DYDS techniques and I am a tall/large bowler (same height at WWR). A couple things I notice on the last video you posted from Friday. It appears that you have late timing, and you are a "planter". Have you always been a planter? Was your timing better when you used 4 step approach? Personally I have been a 4 step bowler my entire life. I have never been comfortable using 5 steps. If your timing is better with 4 steps, I would suggest staying with that, at least for now until you master the other parts of DYDS more.

Because you have late timing you have to pull the ball down from the top of your backswing. This causes your wrist to break back and immediately puts your hand on top of the ball. To correct this you need to get comfortable letting the ball FALL from the top of your back swing. I would suggest doing the one step foul line drill to work on this. Keep the inside of your elbow facing your target all the way through the swing. At release you only turn your wrist 1/4 of a turn. You need to get a little more bend in the slide leg knee AND MAINTAIN it. You do have some bend in it at the line, but you have a tendency to straighten up (also a function of being a planter).

Work on these things and keep practicing.

DYDS: "Drop Your Damn Shoulder" technique starts the ball from inside to outside. It's supposedly more biomechanically sound. So because I'm trying to work with that technique; there are 3 things I'm doing differently (intentionally):

1) Head moved to the right.
2) Ball starts out low and left side of the body with more of a "delayed hinge" movement.
3) A change from 4-step to 5-step where the ball doesn't immediately get pushed out.

You're right; traditional bowlers always had the ball in the center of body mass or out to the right (for righties) and then you do the whole "pendulum swing". But the DYDS technique has it more on the opposite side of the body. At least I "think so". I've only been doing it for 6 days so I'm probably not doing it correctly much less mastered it.

[Aslan]

Am I the only one that doesn't know the bowling term "planter"? I'm assuming you mean that in the video I appear to "plant" my slide foot. I've actually never noticed that before. I think that is a combination of 2 things. One, I'm getting to the foul line too fast. Two, the ball isn't down yet when I get to the foul line (late timing). I'll have to corrrect that by moving back a bit or taking smaller steps. In some of the shots you can actually see me stop at the line and appear to be almost falling forward as I look down and see that I'm dangerously close to the foul line. Good catch.

But yes, my timing does have a tendency to be late and the DYDS work has actually mad it a little worse for some reason. The problem is, I can only focus on 1-4 things at a time during my approach/release/swing. I used to focus on my:

1) Balance arm being out (helped my balance and keeping my shoulders paralel with the foul line.
2) "Snapping" the release to bring my hand from behind the ball up the side and provide revs (in a non-modern way).
3) Follow-through (hand to the ceiling) and post.

However, folks on here noticed my timing was off and noeymc (my virtual internet coach who may or may not still be alive) suggested I work primarily on timing. So I started counting. Pushed the ball out, 2 steps the ball goes down and back, and on the 4th step I slide and the ball comes forward.

More recently I've went back to focusing on the balance arm and release along with the DYDS concepts.

But with each thing I start to focus on...I tend to forget or stop focusing on something else.

The 5-step approach that I do now is because in the DYDS you don't necessarily push the ball out with the first step as in the 4-step approach...so that extra step allows me to start moving forward before I start the ball in motion. I tried a 3-step and I couldn't do it. I actually fell down once trying to do the 3-step.

So, thanks for the suggestion. In addition to the release (bowlingboards consensus problem), the balance arm (which Joe suggested) being more out and up, and the late timing (that you noticed)...that should give me a lot to work on tonight.

[josheaton16]

Being a "planter" means you don't slide, just plant your foot down. For most people this is because the take their last step heel first instead of sliding on the toes. Agree about the late timing causing your wrist break back. I have this happen as well if I get my feet going to fast.

[noeymc]

you guys are hating on the loft yet it is what college coach teach there players to adjust to the lanes instead of moving left right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KVert1gmw

[Hampe]

Yea......a small amount of loft (1 foot) can be beneficial in the right situation. But I'm pretty sure the coach in the video would agree that chucking the ball 6 feet down the lane as your standard release is probably not the way to go.