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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampe View Post
    Yea......a small amount of loft (1 foot) can be beneficial in the right situation. But I'm pretty sure the coach in the video would agree that chucking the ball 6 feet down the lane as your standard release is probably not the way to go.
    Agreed. Loft for more experienced players is a very good technique when used like Hampe says, 1ft to 18" or so is what I use to get ball a bit further down lane before it turns when needed. For Aslan with his delivery and lofted shot, it is countering any kind of roll or hook he is trying to get.
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    i understand that but dont remove a tool he can use later on when i first learn to bowl i was told to loft it 12 inchs or the length of my towel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampe View Post
    chucking the ball 6 feet down the lane
    I think mine is closer to the 12-15ft range. At least it used to be. Most people that first watch me either assume it's a 13-14 pound ball or my thumb got stuck.

    But we're working on it. And I do still use it as a tool if I'm having trouble matching the ball to the lane. For example, if it's got a less polished finish...and I just can't keep it right...but moving inside doesn't work either (due to lack of revs, surface, differential, whatever)...I can move back outside and loft it 1-2ft longer...delay the break to further down the lane. In more technical/anti-mudpuppy terminology...it's the way you can take a lower RG ball and make it behave like a higher RG ball.

    The trick is...accuracy. Like thumbless and 2-handed...the farther you chuck it...the more likely you are to miss your spot. Not to mention you're doing more "muscling" which can cause your shoulders not to be straight...push it, ya pull it...all kinds of potential for "oops. Darn it."

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    Still working on my "slow motion video compilation". I'm having some laptop "storage space" issues making movie editing a bit tricky.

    BUT….I wanted to report on my recent lesson with ROB MAUTNER in LAS VEGAS!!!

    Yup, thats right…Rob from ModerBowling.com took time out from his article writing and other business to meet me and give me some valuable pointers.

    Here is the "jist" of Rob's observations…he's free to provide his own "summary" if I jack it up.

    Set-Up/Appraoch:
    - ball under right shoulder (rather than left side utilizing the DYDS method).
    - short first step, straighten first step (no more funky crossover).
    - don't overdue back leg kick.
    - Improve release timing.

    Release:
    - roll the ball, stop "chucking" it.
    - stop "trying" to hook the ball.
    - release with hand/arm pointed toward the target.

    Other:
    - Lower backswing and lower speed.

    It was a tough lesson. So many of the changes I need to make are changes to things that are so 2nd nature that I don't even know I'm doing them. But, I have about 7 things to work on…I'll have to work on them one at a time or no more than a few at a time….then hopefully I can go back out to Vegas and get lesson #2!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Still working on my "slow motion video compilation". I'm having some laptop "storage space" issues making movie editing a bit tricky.

    BUT….I wanted to report on my recent lesson with ROB MAUTNER in LAS VEGAS!!!

    Yup, thats right…Rob from ModerBowling.com took time out from his article writing and other business to meet me and give me some valuable pointers.

    Here is the "jist" of Rob's observations…he's free to provide his own "summary" if I jack it up.

    Set-Up/Appraoch:
    - ball under right shoulder (rather than left side utilizing the DYDS method).
    - short first step, straighten first step (no more funky crossover).
    - don't overdue back leg kick.
    - Improve release timing.

    Release:
    - roll the ball, stop "chucking" it.
    - stop "trying" to hook the ball.
    - release with hand/arm pointed toward the target.

    Other:
    - Lower backswing and lower speed.

    It was a tough lesson. So many of the changes I need to make are changes to things that are so 2nd nature that I don't even know I'm doing them. But, I have about 7 things to work on…I'll have to work on them one at a time or no more than a few at a time….then hopefully I can go back out to Vegas and get lesson #2!!
    Looks like you have some things to work on that have been noticed in your prior videos.

    Work on no more than 3 at a time and you will be rolling the ball in no time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    Looks like you have some things to work on that have been noticed in your prior videos.
    The difficulty is, when I try to drop my ball speed to the extent preached by Rob and others, it feels like I'm just walking up and dropping it.

    It may just "feel" that way because I'm not used to it. But when I watch pros release the ball...there is an obvious leg kick and snap to their release...they don't just drop the ball and wait for it to hook on it's own. AND, they're throwing it at 19-21mph...my old ball speed.

    So at this point I'm kinda starting from scratch. And I may not be able to go to the lower ball speed right away because I play on wood lanes and will for another 1-3 months. So we'll see if I can keep even the Slingshot to the right of the headpin and such a low speed. Or I could try playing inside with the Rhythm...but it's not really designed for that.

    The awakening wasn't Rob's advice as much as it was playing on the lanes in Vegas. Those lanes were as slick or slicker than any I've ever experienced including AMF Carter and AMF Riverside. I simply COULD NOT use my style and win. Much like when I joined the 11-week league at AMF Carter...I was FORCED to change my approach/release because it just wasn't working on the slicker lanes...not with the weak equipment I'm throwing.

    So now, I'm back to square one. As simple a game as bowling is, it can be very humbling at times. One minute I'm throwing in the 180s and watching my average skyrocket and doing well in tournaments...and the next thing I know my average is stagnant in the 160s and I throw a 113 in game 1 of sweeps. And given my lack of patience and tendency towards frustration...I NEED to get better. If I can't throw in the 170s-200s...then whats the point? I might as well just quit playing for real and do cosmic bowling twice a month for fun.

    The only bright spot of sweeps was:
    1) My "coach" that preaches high loft....in game 2 I shot a 135 and he shot a 134. So it was nice to see a 200+ average bowler struggle as well.
    2) I shot a very nice 184 in game 3...a single 6 and single 7 pin away from a clean game. Had I picked up those 2 spares; I'd have finished with a clean 208 and might have taken 3rd place in the sidepot for that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    Work on no more than 3 at a time and you will be rolling the ball in no time.
    Thats a given. 3 is the maximum my tiny brain can handle at once.

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    Aslan is a very good student. He's a quick study. Being that he lives 4 to 5 hours away, I was forced to go over more things than I ever would with someone local who could easily come back. The first thing that he needs to work on is his alignment, walking straight toward the pins and letting the ball follow the natural line to his target, while rolling the ball rather than throwing it. I think he has very good potential to become an excellent bowler.

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    So the first thing he needs to do is all the stuff we have been telling him for months. Rob, hopefully by you telling him and showing him, it will all finally start to sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    I think he has very good potential to become an excellent bowler.


    Quote Originally Posted by sprocket View Post
    So the first thing he needs to do is all the stuff we have been telling him for months. Rob, hopefully by you telling him and showing him, it will all finally start to sink in.
    I'll remember sprocket's snarkiness when I become an excellent bowler.

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