Recent technique videos for noeymc

[vdubtx]

Aslan,

You have zero knee bend at your delivery. Get down closer to the line, follow through and roll the ball vs. throwing it. You don't need to loft at all, some conditions yes, but from what I see your ball barely even hooks anyway.

The person to the right of you(5&6) was just not posting their shot due to bad timing. You at least post your shots, just need a better delivery of the ball.

[noeymc]

ill post it here so everyone can agree or disagree with this advice but your timing is way off and your footwork isnt very good so i think for right now we will try to fix thos 2 things first and we will see where we go from there

its not a race slow your feet down slow is smooth smooth is fast

and lets go to a 4 step approach for the time being ( question do you have any knee problems?) i ask that cuz you dont really slid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkbVLkzlps this will show you a 4 step try working on this chris is known to be one of the most fundamently sound bowlers in this day and age prob the most this is a great video to learn from

(tip when u push away make sure you push towards your target will help you hit it)

i am only giving you 2 things to work on now 2-3 is the most id recommend working on at any given time so please remember it takes any where from 3000-4500 reps to convert something to muscle memory once you feel u have masterd these things post another video and is there any way u can get a side view like stand 2 lanes right and have someone record you?

i hope u give this a real try

noah

sorry didnt see everyone post in here this is what i would work on first is getting that 4 step apporach from there we have a base also note that you see how chris barns stand tall like a tree at the start =D

and you do a good thing by posting your shot keep doing that!!!

[noeymc]

a good tip on the right amount of loft for your everyday shot is lay your towl on your lane and toss it right past it

[Aslan]

your timing is way off and your footwork isnt very good so i think for right now we will try to fix thos 2 things first and we will see where we go from there

its not a race slow your feet down slow is smooth smooth is fast

and lets go to a 4 step approach for the time being ( question do you have any knee problems?) i ask that cuz you dont really slid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkbVLkzlps this will show you a 4 step try working on this chris is known to be one of the most fundamently sound bowlers in this day and age prob the most this is a great video to learn from

(tip when u push away make sure you push towards your target will help you hit it)

and you do a good thing by posting your shot keep doing that!!!

1) Okay...slowing down.
2) Okay...will try Chris's timing/approach tips.
3) Okay...will push ball toward the target.
4) What is "posting"?

I do have past knee and ankle issues. You can see I have a brace on the left leg; which helps. Old baseball injury.

Just as a sidenote (FYI):
1) The approach you see is 1/3 the speed of my previous approach (where I actually had both feet off the ground between steps 2 and 3).
2) I thought I was already doing what Chris was saying in terms of a 4-step approach, but I guess I need to actually think about it as I do it...maybe I thought I was doing those things but wasn't.
3) Again, I push the ball forward...I never contrated specifically on pushing it towards the target, so I will try that.

vdub- Realize that my coach has given opposite advice and wants me more upright/lofting the ball. I'm not sure what his reasoning is...but I think initially it was to get me straighter and to not lean over the foul line. I used to have a much lower release point similar to what you're suggesting. And, Barry Asher mentioned the same thing...to get lower...and I DID give it a try...but it wasn't working very well. In order to release the ball earlier (decrease the loft)...I have to get much lower and aim for the dots rather than the arrows...otherwise I "drop" it. I was having tremendous difficulty with precision by trying to lay it down earlier...which makes sense from a Physics standpoint because the sooner the ball starts down a path that is slightly "off"...the more "off" it will be at it's endpoint.

I WILL try to get lower as part of this noemyc experiement...I'm not "argueing" and have committed to give this a real try. I just want you (and others who have criticized my willingness to "listen") to realize this is an area where I've received inconsistent coaching. And also, this "may" (I'm not sure though...will have to try it) be limited by my ability to bend my left knee. Previous attempts to get low and get a good slide resulted in being unable to bowl more than 2-3 games per night and spending part of the week "limping".

[noeymc]

aslan i am posting this i hope you read it on the knee thing if it hurts to bend dont do it and i am glad you have slowed down some your self but even more if you can

http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/btmB....php?f=8&t=288

[bowl1820]

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4) What is "posting"?
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Posting is where you hold your finish position until the ball hits the pins. If the shot was made properly you should have no problem maintaining a balanced posture.

This also allows you to watch the ball and pins reactions.

[Aslan]

Posting is where you hold your finish position until the ball hits the pins. If the shot was made properly you should have no problem maintaining a balanced posture.

This also allows you to watch the ball and pins reactions.

That was my guess. Thanks.

Well, gonna post my scores for practice night in my scores area. Initial attempt/take:

1) Trying to slow down, push ball toward target, backswing for two steps, downswing for one step, and lower my body position...all at once...too much. I can't think about my approach like that. The first few times I tried I nearly tripped and fell down. So I scrapped most of the approach stuff and focused on just pushing toward the target, slowing down, and getting lower on my release.

2) First couple games...not good. 111 and 112. Couldn't strike, couldn't pick up spares, was all over the place.

3) Realized one flaw in my game I hadn't realized before. As I've slowed down my approach...I have slowed down my arm speed, less "muscling"...but I don't have the same "snap" in my release and am getting much fewer revolutions on the ball. I know "muscling" can lead to inconsistency...but I tried to put a little back in, to try and get some revs, with mixed results.

4) In the last 2 games, I scrapped all of my coaches stuff and started throwing my old way...lower approach as vdub and others recommended. I'm worried that my shoulders aren't square...and that affected the 2nd game. But in the first game, I threw a 195. So I may try to keep the lower approach going Thursday. The approach is slower, more of a pendulum swing, virtually no "muscling", and lower. I'm worried I might not be "square" at the foul line though. And I'm worried I might not be getting any revs with this release. A much straighter ball even on low oil. Which...means more splits...more spares.

So...just thought I'd update on the first attempt at the changes and the initial results. Not giving up yet. Just gotta figure out if the new lower approach, shorter approach, slower approach is going to keep working. And then perhaps use the rest of the advice about the timing...maybe one step at a time.

[noeymc]

for go ahead and keep muscling it lets work on just the 4 step and getting u a foundation to build on your scores are going to go down before they go also buddy just a heads up

[JaMau24]

I think you might have missed the post(s) where I discussed that I've already had multiple "lessons". This "revised form" is the direct result of those lessons.

What specifically stood out as an issue??

What particularly stood out was your "ready" stance right before you start your approach. You look like you're waiting in line for something. Look at some videos of some of the pros and notice their stance. Move your feet together, maybe bend your knees slightly, and put your ball in a position where you can start your swing effortlessly.

Another thing that stood out is, it looked like you were 'forcing" the form at the line, rather than just letting it happen, if that makes any sense. Having a good a proper approach, arm swing, and hand position leads to good form at the foul line when throwing the ball.

There is a lot more but it's difficult to get into without showing you. Perhaps you should think about getting lessons from someone else? A different person helping can't hurt. The biggest help you can have without getting lessons is watching approaches on youtube from the pro's and trying to mimic them.

[Aslan]

There is a lot more but it's difficult to get into without showing you. Perhaps you should think about getting lessons from someone else? A different person helping can't hurt. The biggest help you can have without getting lessons is watching approaches on youtube from the pro's and trying to mimic them.

Well, I tried my coaches approach...and my average went up about 45 pins. But only on wood lanes. I got frustrated and did something different with my approach. Rather than slow and short with an easy swing...I started with a long, fast approach with a big swing...lots of speed 20-22mph. And...that had some success...but very erratic. I'd throw 3 180+ games...then the next week throw one 180 game, a 120 game, and a 115 game. And on synthetics, I have to throw a straight ball at that speed...no time for the ball to break/hook.

So, worked with the coach again...ho got me back to the basics. Slow approach, standing straight up, much shorter approach, higher loft. Scores got back in the 160s...consistent.

But then, trying these new techniques...mainly just getting lower, less loft...seems like there's some improvement.

I'll try to focus on the timing/approach more going forward. I tried the first two games on Monday...it didn't go well...but I'll try again. Thanks.