Recent technique videos for noeymc

[tccstudent]

Those videos were interesting. I'll have to give them a try next Monday.

Try the softball drill or the football drill to train your hand on the proper motion it needs to go through You can do this at home while watching TV or whatever crazy fad you Kalifornians are up to now.

[Aslan]

Try the softball drill or the football drill to train your hand on the proper motion it needs to go through You can do this at home while watching TV or whatever crazy fad you Kalifornians are up to now.

I do the football release currently. But if you've ever thrown a football underhand...your hand is never behind it. It's to the side and underneath. Thats part of the reason I'm getting revs and am somewhat successful throwing it the way I am...because I'm able to generate some revs using that underhand football type of motion.

The downside...and this is where the modern bowling guys will jump in...is modern bowlers have seemed to transition to a softball release rather than an underhand football. So now the hand starts from the inner quadrant and shoots off to the side...but if done correctly...the ball still follows it's pendulum trajectory. I seem to struggle with that type of release because I end up moving the ball off it's trajectory when I slide my hand off to the side.

[tr33frog]

I do the football release currently. But if you've ever thrown a football underhand...your hand is never behind it. It's to the side and underneath.

I'd say that you should then switch to the softball because you really don't get many rotations on the ball. I see people that get similar rotation just dropping the ball.

[Hampe]

I've personally never been a big fan of the football drill. To me, it doesn't feel the same at all....mostly because of what Aslan said, your hand is on the side of the ball instead of behind it. You're also rotating the ball sideways instead of at an angle like a bowling ball. I think it does have some use for absolute beginners, to show them the feeling of rotating the ball with their fingers, instead of turning their wrist, but it's not something I would recommend spending hours practicing.

[Aslan]

I see people that get similar rotation just dropping the ball.

Hey! Thats mean.

I've tried the softball approach to become more of a "transitional bowler"...but it seems "weird". You're swinging a pendulum swing....back, then forward. The forward momentum of your body and the forward pendulum swing send/propel the ball forward. Okay. That makes sense. And if you come up the side when releasing...you get revs...that makes sense.

But with the modern release (softball drill)...you're starting in the inside quadrant and as you release with the ball momentum going forward...your "release" is taking a straight B-line sideways. Which, in the times I've been trying it, seems to completely stop the pendulum. The pendulum is going forward...then you essentially "stop" it by throwing your hand to the right. And it also confuses me...because it "seems" like that would produce "less" revs. Example:

Hand goes from behind and ends up 90 degrees going up (traditional release). Hand in contact with ball for HALF of the 360 degrees.

Hand goes from slightly inside...then under, then shoots sideways....thats more like your hand being in contact with the ball for LESS than half the 360 degrees...unless you can get you hand completely turned inside (with your thumb essentially up).

I'm still trying it. First step is to train myself to leave that hand behind the ball until the release point. Right now, based on those videos and my observations, I'm "cheating" my hand to the right and cutting down my revs by 1/4 to 1/2. I'd like to see what my rev rate actually is. I saw the videos online, on how to calculate it. And my camera has slow motion so I might be able to do it. Maybe next practice session I'll tape some frames and see what kind of rev rates I'm actually getting. I predict 275-300rpm.

Thanks!

[Aslan]

Tried to shoot a video to analyze the Joe Slowinski DYDS technique but I couldn't find a good place to put the camera phone so I only got this one video and it isn't good enough to submit to Joe for input. But I thought I'd post it for my absent coach noeymc.

I did slow this one down and my hand IS behind the ball. The issue "seems" to be that I start bringing my hand up the side of the ball as the ball is swinging down towards my slide leg so if you freeze it when the arm is parallel to the balance leg…the hand is already towards the outside of the ball.

And BONUS!! For the "ladies"…great views of my fat a*s. And DOUBLE BONUS…for Iceman…at the end you got to see that "pic" you've been begging for!!

[Hampe]

I did slow this one down and my hand IS behind the ball. The issue "seems" to be that I start bringing my hand up the side of the ball as the ball is swinging down towards my slide leg so if you freeze it when the arm is parallel to the balance leg…the hand is already towards the outside of the ball.

Your hand is definitely NOT behind the ball when you release it, which is what we are talking about. Your hand needs to be behind the ball....not (necessarily) on the back swing, but on the release. Here's a side by side of you and me to show you what we're talking about....see the difference in hand position at release?:



Now, I'm not saying my release is the pinnacle of bowling perfection or anything, but you really need to get your hand/fingers more behind the ball throughout the release.

[J Anderson]

I think that your cross over step (2nd step) is too exaggerated. This causes your side tilt to exaggerate and has you releasing the ball too far right of your ankle. You need to straighten out your footwork before you get overly concerned about your release.

Also it looks like your wrist bends back as you start the down swing. I would suspect that subconsciously trying to help the swing get going.

[Aslan]

Your hand is definitely NOT behind the ball when you release it, which is what we are talking about. Your hand needs to be behind the ball....not (necessarily) on the back swing, but on the release. Here's a side by side of you and me to show you what we're talking about....see the difference in hand position at release?:



Now, I'm not saying my release is the pinnacle of bowling perfection or anything, but you really need to get your hand/fingers more behind the ball throughout the release.

Aslan: "Damn. That picture makes me look fat."
Hampe: "No. Your a$$ makes you look fat."

Hampe- Question. I can see what you mean…but what I think I'm failing to grasp is…at SOME point…the hand is BEHIND the ball (for both of us)…and then at SOME point…the hand must either move outside or up the side of the ball to create revolutions. Without that movement…the hand will stay behind the ball through the release and you'll have a straight ball. Am I right or wrong?

I think where my difference/problem is….is that I'm moving up the side of the ball perhaps "too" early in the swing/release? If I look at the video in slow motion, I can see my hand behind the ball…but as I get < 45 degrees from my slide leg…thats when I start rotating my hand. Is rotating earlier bad? I'll try to see if I can release later tomorrow before/during league. Thanks.

[sprocket]

No. The hand doesn't need to move to the outside of the ball. Hampe has some wrist cock, therefore his fingers will move left to right on the back of the ball as his thumb comes out and the wrist unloads. ANY left to right movement of the fingers will cause the ball to have counterclockwise rotation.

Your wrist is in just about the weakest position possible. There is no where to go from there except to continue to hold onto the ball and try to get something on it on the upswing which is exactly what you do.

Here's a visual that may or may not make sense to you: Think about swinging around a bucket of water by the handle. You're swinging it round and round and the centrifugal force is keeping the water in the bucket. Now you want to stop the bucket at the bottom (from full speed, then suddenly STOP) and STILL not spill any water. Think about the motion in your arm that would be required to do that. You would have to "catch" the bucket at the bottom. In order to get into a strong position with a bowling ball at the bottom you have catch the ball. It is swinging freely on the end of your arm and you need to catch it to feel it in your hand at the bottom and impart revs. The reason you currently are able to catch it on the upswing and impart some revs is because the ball HAS TO slow down at that point or it goes through the ceiling. Right now you are only able to catch the ball when it becomes physically impossible for the ball to be accelerating anymore.

I hope that makes sense. I fear more than a few people are going to tell me I'm nuts.