Uhhh...yeah...it does. : (Originally Posted by classygranny
HOWEVER...since switching to fingertip grip...my fingers don't hurt anymore...so I gave up the finger pain and got knee pain.
So your coach is trying to make you bowl the same way he does? If that's the case, get another coach. A good coach works with you to find a technique that works for you. He or she starts with basics that work for most bowlers and tweak things from there. This guy sounds like some one who developed an odd style that works for him and thinks it should work for every one.
John
Uhhh...yeah...it does. : (
HOWEVER...since switching to fingertip grip...my fingers don't hurt anymore...so I gave up the finger pain and got knee pain.
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Bronze? Level 1? I don't know. I shouldn't even call him a "coach" since:
1) He's only worked with me 3-4 times.
2) He refuses to take money for it.
3) I haven't seen him around the last couple weeks.
He's just a pro shop pro that helped me after I bought my ball. I think I need to incorporate some of the things he told me (staying straight, follow-through, not having an extended slide) and insert them into my style which is to have a balance leg sweep, bend my knee, etc...
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[QUOTE=Aslan;90546]Bronze? Level 1? I don't know. I shouldn't even call him a "coach" since:
1) He's only worked with me 3-4 times.
2) He refuses to take money for it.
3) I haven't seen him around the last couple weeks.
He's just a pro shop pro that helped me after I bought my ball. I think I need to incorporate some of the things he told me (staying straight, follow-through, not having an extended slide) and insert them into my style which is to have a balance leg sweep, bend my knee, etc...QUOTE]
GOOD IDEA!!!
Last edited by classygranny; 09-03-2013 at 10:57 PM.
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Well, focused on keeping my balance arm out and trying to keep my balance leg on the ground. I wasn't able to work on the knee bend or the lofting of the ball because I only bowled 6 games and if I think about too many things at the same time...disaster. Next time I practice...maybe friday...I'll try to work on getting lower with the knee bend and releasing sooner. Right now my loft seems to have the ball landing about 12ft out from the foul line.
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I do agree with JAnderson though. Looking at some releases of the pro bowlers...much lower to the lane... 2-6ft out (versus my 12ft).
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Yep....definitely don't want to try and fix everything at once. That will only get you confused and frustrated. If that guy's not a coach then you'll definitely want to take everything he shows you with a grain of salt. Some guys have horrendous approaches that nobody in their right mind would teach a beginner, but are very successful with them because they've been playing 4x a week for 30 years. Like Granny said, your best bet is building up your own game that is comfortable for you....listen to tips from other bowlers, be prepared to try new things, and just take with you what works.
Remember, we aren't pros. We will never have "flawless" form (nor do we have to). Your aim should be to have the most consistently repeatable shot that is easiest for you.
Bowled against a guy last night that was lofting the ball, I kid you not, at least 20 feet down lane. He is a regular at this house it seems as the other bowlers or center employees did not say a thing about it. Wasn't very accurate with his shots needless to say.
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Yeah, while I think 6 inches to 2 feet is a bit too short of a release and would definitely cause me to bend over forward...I do think it would do me good to cut my loft in half. Fortunately, those dots are exactly 6ft out so I'll have a visual cue. Next time I practice (hopefully friday afternoon), I'll try to get the ball on the lane in front of those dots.
Like I said though...the pro I've been working with...he literally lofts the ball 20ft down the lane...and I swear that guy can strike 7 out of 10 frames. He doesn't even wear bowling shoes...so no slide...just walks up, short back swing, linear swing, excellent follow-through...BAMM.
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Well...did a little practicing today...7 games. I'm hardcore like that. AND...I did it with a kidney stone issue (which is why I wasnt at work). Anyhoo...
The first game I tried to use the dots rather than the triangles as targets. And, while it did force me to get lower and not loft the ball as far...it just wasn't helping my accuracy at all and it felt unnatural.
BUT...after re-targeting the triangles...I did try to get lower with my release...but not bend over. And that DID seem to work okay. I'm still lofting it about 10 feet though. But if I bend that front knee and get lower, it's less of an arc...so there's no "thump" when it lands and it looks more natural.
In game 6...I had 4 frames where I left the 10-pin...and didn't pick it up in THREE of the opportunities. THAT stunk. I have to get better at picking up the 10-pin or I have to un-retire the Blue Knight. FOUR times...and the dang thing went in the gutter 2 and missed to the left once. Ridiculous!
And that brings me back to loft. While I've reduced my loft on the strike shot...I've found that giving the ball MORE loft actually was beneficial in picking up spares. At one point, trying to pick up the 4-7...I must have launched that bad boy almost 30 feet before it made contact with the alley...and it was nearly dead straight on. How could it not be? It can't hook or move in the air right?
And FINALLY...my time was almost up...so I took my wrist support off and just started "playing for fun". Strike...spare....open...spare...spare...spare.... spare...etc... In a nutshell....when I just relaxed and aggressively went after the pins...I did AWESOME!! I ended up with 2-3 open frames and a 156. I didn't strike much...but it FELT AWESOME!!!
So my learning points from this round...don't aim closer...but bend that knee more to reduce arc on the loft. Continue to trust your spot....continue to make sure you have a good follow-through...but RELAX. HAVE FUN!! Just THROW THE BALL!! I have a naturally good approach and form...and I need to trust that and not start going through a 17-item checklist as I'm taking 3 steps towards the foul line.
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