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    I already told you why that loft is wrong. Because the ball is past the leverage point. I have no problem at all in saying that either the bronze level coach was misunderstood or just plain wrong. Probably just plain wrong. You're not rolling the ball, you are chucking it just as you described it.

    Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll. Roll the ball. Try to roll the ball over the foul line. Don't dump it at the foul line. You could roll a lawnmower tire down the lane right? Good, then roll the ball. I could give you more details about what might be happening from the top of the swing down but that might just over complicate things. Just roll the damn ball. Go roll it across your basement. Now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprocket View Post
    I already told you why that loft is wrong. Because the ball is past the leverage point…... Go roll it across your basement. Now.
    But what does that "mean"? What is "past my leverage point"? Thats what I meant to ask. I don't understand what that is.

    I live in California. We don't have basements. I know, I know…coming from the Midwest thats a fairly odd concept. Plus I live in an apartment and I don't know if the downstairs neighbor lady would appreciate that.

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    When you loft the ball you are releasing it out in front of you. When you loft the ball you cant stay behind the ball and lift through it to create the good rev's that you want. When you release the ball at the bottom of your swing you can stay behind the ball much easier and lift through the ball generating more revs.

    This is you leverage point he is talking about
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    It took me a while to get this, I really didn't like your release just couldn't get proof (see attached picture) that I was seeing what I thought I was. This is NOT where your hand should be, and is why you can't get any rotation on the ball. I saw it in multiple shots, so I think it is your normal release. Your hand should be behind the ball, not on top.

    To make your first step maybe a little easier, I had a coach once tell me to start with my right foot half way back from my left. Just a thought. But you do a pretty big crossover, where I just tend to have my right just barely in front of my left, like an inch and half in front. I'm not telling you my way is right, just trying to give you the overall picture.
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    The leverage point is the position at which your able deliver the most powerful shot possible with the least amount of effort. It's around 90 degrees under your shoulder.(meaning release the ball when its next to your ankle.)

    A MO quote on excessive loft:
    "BOWLING BALLS DON'T HOOK IN THE AIR!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tr33frog View Post
    It took me a while to get this, I really didn't like your release just couldn't get proof (see attached picture) that I was seeing what I thought I was. This is NOT where your hand should be, and is why you can't get any rotation on the ball. I saw it in multiple shots, so I think it is your normal release. Your hand should be behind the ball, not on top.
    WOW! That is interesting. I did not see that before. I'm going to have to concentrate and work on that. That may be why I can't get revs without the loft…because my hand isn't behind the ball enough. OR…that still shot is showing my hand turning. Hard to tell. I'll have to review the video more closely. I know sometimes I come over top the ball. And I know I'm not supposed to do that. But that usually happens if I'm trying not to loft it and still get revs….which I haven't been very successful with.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    A MO quote on excessive loft:
    "BOWLING BALLS DON'T HOOK IN THE AIR!"
    Who is "MO"?

    Also, I use the loft for that reason sometimes. Friday night I picked up a single-pin spare by lofting it about 15ft. Like you said, "balls can't hook in the air"….so it's a nearly foolproof way of throwing a ball straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Who is "MO"?

    Also, I use the loft for that reason sometimes. Friday night I picked up a single-pin spare by lofting it about 15ft. Like you said, "balls can't hook in the air"….so it's a nearly foolproof way of throwing a ball straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    WOW! That is interesting. I did not see that before. I'm going to have to concentrate and work on that. That may be why I can't get revs without the loft…because my hand isn't behind the ball enough. OR…that still shot is showing my hand turning. Hard to tell. I'll have to review the video more closely. I know sometimes I come over top the ball. And I know I'm not supposed to do that. But that usually happens if I'm trying not to loft it and still get revs….which I haven't been very successful with.

    Thanks.
    Yeah, it really looked like that in a lot of the shots, and I don't believe your hand would be there even if you were coming up and over then over part is normally after the ball is out of the hand. I'm not a coach, not certified, but that is the thing I would have you work on first. Should be able to get a feel for it, I know I can tell when I cheat and my hand comes off to the side too early, because all the weight comes off. So try and feel the weight. Maybe also throw the ball without turning your hand and just come up straight through the ball like you are about to give yourself a face palm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tccstudent View Post
    Mo Pintel from Morich Bowling
    It's Mo "Pinel" and he's with Radical Bowling now.

    He's the one who developed the Dual Angle layout system. and like Rob Mautner he was also a writer for bowling this month magazine.

    Recognized as one of the most colorful personalities in the bowling industry, Mo Pinel has famously revolutionized ball technology several times over the past 25 years. In 1991, Pinel introduced the AMF Sumo, the first mass-market flaring bowling ball. Six years later, he developed the Hammer 3D Offset for Faball, widely credited as the bowling ball that forevermore changed ball design. His most recent venture with MoRich included the development of a number of extremely aggressive bowling balls with strong hook motion.
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