Check out thread I posted a couple months ago regarding a 2 handed bowler in my Tuesday league... LINK
I disagree that they should have to bowl two handed all the time, even for spares. The dominant hand is the one with the fingers in the finger holes.
Virtually ALL of us are two handed bowlers. Do you help support your ball with your non-bowling hand at ANY time during the approach? Well, do you? How about at set-up? Then you are a two handed bowler. The non bowling hand has a function related to supporting the ball. The difference between you and Belmo is WHEN you take your non-dominant hand OFF the ball.
Ball speed: 17 - 18.5 mph Rev rate: 400ish
PAP 6 1/8" over 1/4" up
13° axis tilt / 30°-60° axis rotation
Thumbless bowler
High game: 300 High series: 804 High average: 217
Check out thread I posted a couple months ago regarding a 2 handed bowler in my Tuesday league... LINK
High Sanctioned Scratch Game - 300(12) Hi Sanctioned Scratch Series - 822(3)
2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
Equipment in the bag - Storm Crux Prime, Storm Physix, Roto Grip Idol, Roto Grip Idol Pearl, Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, Storm Sure Lock, Storm Drive, Roto Grip Winner Solid, Roto Grip Haywire, Storm Fever Pitch, Roto Grip Red ball spare.
Rev Rate 400. Speed 18 at heads, 16.5-17 at pins. Axis tilt 10, Axis Rotation 55. PAP 5 5/8 x 5/8 up
Agreed.Originally Posted by Stormed1
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USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 192; Lifetime Average = 172;
Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
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What's your USBC number? I always like to verify averages > 200.
Okay...now I REALLY want to verify that 200 average!
So you carried a 200 average with spare shooting being problematic??? I wish I could carry a 175 average with spare shooting being problematic.
In Bag: (: .) Zen Master Solid; (: .) Perfect Mindset; (: .) Brunswick Endeavor; (: .) Outer Limits Pearl; (: .) Ebonite Maxim
USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 192; Lifetime Average = 172;
Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
There's 2 PBA guys that use it and I've watched them on the internet. I also saw an amateur/semi-pro using that style...also on the internet. I've never seen it in person. I've already said my piece previously...I think it's gimicy and very, very difficult to do consistently. I have respect for the people that can do it at a high level because it really is a more difficult form to be consistent with.
I just read an article and the author said (I'm para-phrasing)...."Beginner/amateur bowlers should focus on spares. Spare shooting is what is going to help your average and help you get better. Once you get to the pro level; then you need to strike to score high enough to win. But far too many house players and beginners are focused on striking at the expense of spare shooting." I only mention that because I think high rev, then thumbless, and now 2-handed would fall into the category of "striking at the expense of spare shooting"...in many, many cases. Not saying it can't be done well at a high level...just a very difficult style to do consistently. And my main "opposition" to it is I think far too many younger/newer bowlers see it as a "shortcut" to success. Why learn about timing/approach/mechanics/release/knee bend/sliding foot/etc.. when you can make the ball hook like crazy and if you're "lucky" you'll string some strikes together?
In Bag: (: .) Zen Master Solid; (: .) Perfect Mindset; (: .) Brunswick Endeavor; (: .) Outer Limits Pearl; (: .) Ebonite Maxim
USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 192; Lifetime Average = 172;
Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
Actually thinking more about it, I've seen a bunch of junior bowlers at state and national junior championships use it.. and very effectively to boot. I would imagine it might be a great way to teach them. I would still say odds are the traditional approach and delivery is easier to be consistent with but I can understand how, if you started this way as a child (like belmo), you would keep with it through adulthood.
I think its only a courtesy to post your USBC NUMBER. There are, and have been found out many on here, that have created their own little ( alternate reality world).
Hey if your not a sanctioned league bowler that's one thing, but if you are I think its great to post your USBC NUBMER.
It helps keep it REAL! LOL Just Iceman's thoughts...
Hey Alsia whats your USBC NUMBER?
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I try to tell everyone in my league that same thing. When I first got my 200 average, it was just clean games with a double here or a double there. In fact my high 2 games were like a 245 and a 220 with that average. I was just consistent on my spares. Last night I had 1 open all night, was having to throw the ball slower than normal, and threw it too slow and left a big ugly split. I actually take practice time to work both 7 pins and 10 pin shots during warm up just to make sure I get them locked in, even if I hadn't locked in my mark for my strike shot yet.
Yeah, and just before anyone asks for mine, the league I'm in right now is not sanction. I bowl in it because my in-laws have forever. But it is the same setup as the sanctioned leagues that bowl next to us. But I'm league Secretary, so I can always run reports if people don't buy my word.I think its only a courtesy to post your USBC NUMBER. There are, and have been found out many on here, that have created their own little ( alternate reality world).
Hey if your not a sanctioned league bowler that's one thing, but if you are I think its great to post your USBC NUBMER.
It helps keep it REAL! LOL Just Iceman's thoughts...
Hey Alsia whats your USBC NUMBER?
Once again....spelled name wrong...but I realize in your advanced age it's difficult...so I'll give ya a pass.Hey Alsia whats your USBC NUMBER?
And YES...I WILL be posting my USBC number just as soon as my first sanctioned league is completed. I am a new member...just sent in the dues and filled out the card a couple months ago and in my first USBC sanctioned league so I have to wait till the league is over to actually have stats to view (I think). But THEN...absolutely!! I will post it and wear it as a badge of honor!!!
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