Page 7 of 8 FirstFirst ... 345678 LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 76

Thread: Bake vs Bath?

  1. #61
    Super Moderator
    bowl1820's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Central, Florida
    Posts
    6,713
    Blog Entries
    12
    Chats: 554

    Default

    Polished, smooth balls do tend to absorb less oil. They don't pick it up like a rougher surface does.

    Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798

    "Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker

  2. #62
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Riverside Ca
    Posts
    2,315
    Chats: 68

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Polished, smooth balls do tend to absorb less oil. They don't pick it up like a rougher surface does.
    Don't be too sure about that.

    While examining many bowlers track flare, to identify their pap, I'd say the only reason a polished ball would pick up less oil is because they tend to be used in an area of the lane that has less oil on it to begin with.

    I have them throw the ball more in the middle of the lane so it will make the track flare much more visible,.

    The real issue with oil absorption is that the oil is sitting on your ball between turns and gets absorbed.

    This is why I prefer to wipe my ball clean after the shot then go wait for my next turn, rather than wait until just before my next shot to wipe the ball.
    Last edited by Mike White; 02-13-2014 at 01:08 PM.

  3. #63
    Super Moderator
    bowl1820's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Central, Florida
    Posts
    6,713
    Blog Entries
    12
    Chats: 554

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Polished, smooth balls do tend to absorb less oil. They don't pick it up like a rougher surface does.
    Additional info from a similar post:
    Polished balls can absorb the same amount, but at a slightly slower rate.

    also:
    some polishes fill up pores in the cover, rough surfaces have more (sometimes much more) surface area for absorption than smooth, and the surface tension of liquids on highly curved surfaces is higher, forcing the oil into the pores faster. Bit like paper towel vs writing paper or even cardboard. They will still remove oil from the lane pretty fast though, especially high flaring balls - difference is you will actually get to wipe off some of the oil they pick up.

    Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798

    "Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker

  4. #64

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Additional info from a similar post:
    Polished balls can absorb the same amount, but at a slightly slower rate.

    also:
    some polishes fill up pores in the cover, rough surfaces have more (sometimes much more) surface area for absorption than smooth, and the surface tension of liquids on highly curved surfaces is higher, forcing the oil into the pores faster. Bit like paper towel vs writing paper or even cardboard. They will still remove oil from the lane pretty fast though, especially high flaring balls - difference is you will actually get to wipe off some of the oil they pick up.
    150% correct from my observations. I used to throw a dull ball first game through 2-5 frame of second game to soak up the oil and then throw the polished ball for the remainder of the series. The dull ball soaked up a ton of oil - it is a lot more porous so it is exactly as Mr. 1820 is saying. Like the difference between raw sheet metal vs primed sheet metal vs finished paint & clear coated sheet metal on a car. What one do you think will rust faster?

  5. #65
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    W.B. Wisconsin
    Posts
    11
    Chats: 0

    Default

    I do know that whatever way you decide to wash your bowling balls. 140 degrees is the absolute max temperature you should use. Anything higher than that, you risk having the plasticizers come out of the ball and physically altering the composition of that ball. Our pro shop professional recommends 1-1.5hr at 135 degrees.

  6. #66
    Bowling God MICHAEL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    kansas ctiy missouri
    Posts
    5,433
    Blog Entries
    1
    Chats: 2643

    Default Iron and bowling balls have this in common

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinyfxds View Post
    I do know that whatever way you decide to wash your bowling balls. 140 degrees is the absolute max temperature you should use. Anything higher than that, you risk having the plasticizers come out of the ball and physically altering the composition of that ball. Our pro shop professional recommends 1-1.5hr at 135 degrees.

    Having been an Iron Worker for 30 years, I know a lot about heat, and what it can do to various metals... If you use a wire machine to weld steel, and have the voltage up too high, it can crystalize the weld! Makes sense that bowling balls would also have a max temp! thanks tinyfxds!
    Don't walk on Thin Ice!

  7. #67
    Cranker
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Saint Louis MO
    Posts
    995
    Chats: 0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    Don't be too sure about that.

    While examining many bowlers track flare, to identify their pap, I'd say the only reason a polished ball would pick up less oil is because they tend to be used in an area of the lane that has less oil on it to begin with.

    I have them throw the ball more in the middle of the lane so it will make the track flare much more visible,.

    The real issue with oil absorption is that the oil is sitting on your ball between turns and gets absorbed.

    This is why I prefer to wipe my ball clean after the shot then go wait for my next turn, rather than wait until just before my next shot to wipe the ball.
    I'd be very sure about it.

  8. #68
    Bowling God MICHAEL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    kansas ctiy missouri
    Posts
    5,433
    Blog Entries
    1
    Chats: 2643

    Default Polish vs Solid vs lane oil

    All I know is by experience, and I have to say, when I put my balls on the spinner, turn it on, spray cleaning fluid on to the ball while its spinning with a white cotton hand towel up against it, I get a ton more residue from the solid, Matte balls, then I do the pearl polished balls. NOT EVEN CLOSE! Even when I play the same line. Nothing Scientific about my observation just something I noticed.

    Same with my Wife's bowling balls. Her matte/solid balls put MUCH MORE oil on the rags. The Science of polish filling in the pours, makes perfect sense to me. I know when you polish a Covet fiberglass sports car. Polish makes the water bead up, much more then without!
    Don't walk on Thin Ice!

  9. #69
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Riverside Ca
    Posts
    2,315
    Chats: 68

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    All I know is by experience, and I have to say, when I put my balls on the spinner, turn it on, spray cleaning fluid on to the ball while its spinning with a white cotton hand towel up against it, I get a ton more residue from the solid, Matte balls, then I do the pearl polished balls. NOT EVEN CLOSE! Even when I play the same line. Nothing Scientific about my observation just something I noticed.

    Same with my Wife's bowling balls. Her matte/solid balls put MUCH MORE oil on the rags. The Science of polish filling in the pours, makes perfect sense to me. I know when you polish a Covet fiberglass sports car. Polish makes the water bead up, much more then without!
    Which is why you don't use car polishes for your bowling ball. They have a different chemical makeup, and have different intended purposes.

    Car polishes act more like a protectant, and have oil/silicon/wax based chemicals to repel water, and will potentially block the pores.

    Bowling ball polishes act more like very fine sand paper, and a friction reducing agent. It doesn't (or at least shouldn't) block the pores.

  10. #70
    Bowling God MICHAEL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    kansas ctiy missouri
    Posts
    5,433
    Blog Entries
    1
    Chats: 2643

    Default hummmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    Which is why you don't use car polishes for your bowling ball. They have a different chemical makeup, and have different intended purposes.

    Car polishes act more like a protectant, and have oil/silicon/wax based chemicals to repel water, and will potentially block the pores.

    Bowling ball polishes act more like very fine sand paper, and a friction reducing agent. It doesn't (or at least shouldn't) block the pores.
    if that's the case then what's the difference between a 4000 pad finish , and polish? I will look a little deeper, I am convinced that their is a (form of polish) of some kind in say, Reata shine.

    could the (friction reducing agent be in reality a polish, not car polish, but polish just the same. When I use them vs high grit pads, the difference is night and day.
    Don't walk on Thin Ice!

Page 7 of 8 FirstFirst ... 345678 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •