Is all this garbage information about cover stock and rg going to make you bowl better? NO. Opposite actually. Your mind will be so cluttered with useless data you won't bowl good, that hot chick that wanted to see you stroke another strike won't notice you and your Dad will get punched in the stomach for a can of beans - don't let your Dad get...........................
Let the pro shop guy handle it - just explain what you want to accomplish and his superior mind power will handle it. Then you can focus on bowling.
Yep, Just go in and say the standard "I want it to go long and snap hard" or "I want a ball that hooks a lot" (Which for the majority of customers really means they want to see a lot of backend reaction not hook. In other words go long and snap hard.)Originally Posted by Mudpuppy
Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
"Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker
I don't know if the great Rob M. would agree that bowlers should just disregard all this "garbage information". Especially...when the ARSEnal players out there insist that they need 4-9 balls to bowl in their couple house leagues. According to Rob's article "Know Your Arsenal" (or something like that) a bowler should know his/her bowling ball's coverstocks and RG, etc... THAT is what allows them to make an EDUCATED decision to go to their bag and choose a better option.
Unfortunately, I'd say less than 15% of ARSEnal bowlers actually DO that. Most of them just say, "I missed twice with the DV8 Hellmonster so I'm gonna use the IQ Tour Pearl." "Nope, that didn't work, I better take out the Radical Reaxx." "Nope, that didn't work...lets try Brunswick GatorFart." "Strike!! YES...see, THATs why you have an ARSEnal....I shoulda used that ball from the beginning!"
Then by the middle of the next game said player is back in his bag pulling out the DV8 Hellmonster he started with because he isn't striking anymore. It's MADNESS!!
And how does your local pro shop guy qualify as a bowling ball expert? I mean, my bowling ball driller is Mike White, the bowling ball guru to the Stars...so I'm safe. But if your bowling ball driller is "Big Joe" who retired from GM and bought got himself a good deal on some pro shop supplies...I don't know if that automatically qualifies them to "bowling ball expert" status.
Witnessed that last night at Mike's shop. Mike asked the guy what he wanted and I almost started to giggle as the guy responded, "I just want it to go long and snap hard." I almost giggled because before he even answered I was thinking, "I bet dollars to donuts this guy says he just wants it to go long and snap hard..."
I guess I stand corrected. I am going to quit my job and read up on this arsenal business until I have it memorized and I know every single facet of how a bowling ball is made and how it works. Then I am going to get a sharpee and mark the boards on the approach so I know exactly what boards I am on. I can video it in 4K HD video and hire one of the best coaches. Then I will do an FBI background check on the pro shop guy before even talking to him about buying a suitable ball towel. Why take chances? I'm sure it will make me a .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% extra bowler and add 1/3 a pin to my average.
Honestly Asian, as Iceman would say, it's a big scam - kind of like oil manufacturer's saying you need to change your oil every 3,000 miles. A typical house league bowler doesn't need 4-9 ball arsenal, coaches and extensive knowledge of the micro structure of the bowling balls. I am not saying that if someone, a house league bowler, finds bowling ball rgs and cover stocks interesting they shouldn't learn about it but I am saying learning what you have and how to use it goes a lot further than yanking a shot and switching balls 50x in 1 game. But you can also rely on a reputable pro shop owner to guide you in the right direction without learning all this rg and coverstock information. If they are decent, they watch you bowl, know your shot, know your goals, etc. then you really don't need to spend time trying to read and learn all this information that ultimately just becomes a distraction to your game.
Wow someone telling Aslan you don't need a 4-9 ball arsenal and don't need to switch balls 50x in 1 game. Talk about carrying coal to Newcastle!
Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
"Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker
I dont get this reference
USBC #9327-540
In the Bag: Storm IQ Tour Fusion, Brunswick Mastermind Genisu, Roto Grip Asylum and Ebonite Maxim
Final Book Averages for Fall:192 Current averages in Summer: PBA 182, Tuesday 202, Thursday 205
Newcastle is a city in England that is known for it's production and sale of coal. Making carrying coal to Newcastle pointless.
So "Carrying coal to Newcastle" is phrase describing a redundant, pointless action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coals_to_Newcastle
So Since Aslan has stated many times about typical league bowlers not needing 4-9 ball arsenals and switching balls through out the night.
Having someone tell him that was like "Carrying coal to Newcastle" a redundant, pointless action.
It was "Like preaching to the choir"
You can google that one.
Last edited by bowl1820; 02-10-2014 at 04:20 PM.
Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
"Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker
I have never heard that phrase before.
I generally carry 6 balls with me to league and 8 to a tournament.
Over the course of a league night I might throw 4
Two as a strike ball one as a spare and the forth I have a special ball for if I leave certain splits like 6-7-10, or big 4 or greek church. For those shots I want something that is gonna give me a wrinkle once it gets down to the pin deck.
USBC #9327-540
In the Bag: Storm IQ Tour Fusion, Brunswick Mastermind Genisu, Roto Grip Asylum and Ebonite Maxim
Final Book Averages for Fall:192 Current averages in Summer: PBA 182, Tuesday 202, Thursday 205
YES!!
I didn't get the reference either but I'm now going to use it extensively.
Mudpup...I don't think it's so much a "conspiracy" I just think that many bowlers like to "collect" things. Balls are shiny and colorful and fun...and many, many bowlers think that if you find that "perfect" one...it's 300-a-palooza time!!! Where as my belief is...while there CERTAINLY is a need for an arsenal at higher levels...most house bowlers generally don't know enough about balls and their technology to put an arsenal to use properly. Thats why you see bowlers with giant roller bags going back and forth to the bag swapping out balls multiple times in a seemingly random fashion. They don't know what they are doing wrong....nor what the ball does that will help it...so they're just flipping the proverbial coin.
Many will SWEAR they know why they are making a ball change...they'll SWEAR they know....but the conversation generally goes:
"Whyd you switch balls?"
"That one wasn't working."
"What was or wasn't it doing?"
"I don't know. It just wasn't matching up."
"Why do you think that other one will?"
"Ummm...I don't know. It's worth a try."
"Whats the RG difference between the 2?"
"What? The center of gravity?"
"No. Thats the CG. Whats the RG?"
"I don't know. It's probably stamped somewhere on the ball. I think it might be part of that USBC number."
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