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    To me knowing RG, Diff, Core, Coverstock, and other technical information isn't information you use while you are bowling or while you unzip your bag to make a ball change. You use that information in the buying process when filling a gap/building your arsenal. Then after utilizing that knowledge it is up to you to get the feel for exactly that ball will do for you.

    Some people like to learn the technical side of the game themself and some don't want to learn it and rely on their driller's knowledge. Personally I enjoy learning the technical information, but I am like that with most things.

    There was an episode of The Bowling Center where they asked numerous pros questions about RG, Diff, and other tech stuff. Obviously Chris Barnes knew all of them, but the others were about 50/50. Same as other sports, golf in particular, the top pros consist of tech junkies and the others don't know the tech stuff they just "feel". There is no wrong way you just have to find what works best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Does ANYONE even remotely agree with me??!

    Bowl1820?? Rob?? MikeW? There's not ONE bowler in this highly touted community that feels knowledge is power?

    So THIS is what devolved into? A group of bowlers that never practices (Mudpuppy claims I could afford 2 leagues if I stop practicing so much), that carries 4-9 bowling balls to the SAME house on the SAME lanes....yet knows NOTHING about the balls nor when to make a change...other than, "I wasn't feelin it."???

    Should I insert a link to Rob's "Know Your Arsenal" article?? Wait...why am I now arguing on the side of Bowl1820 and Rob? Those guys think I'm even more of a loon than the rest of these guys. Screw it. I'm going to get an account on BowlingIntel and talk about numbers...all this "going on feel" and "Iceman's furry" is making me nauseous.
    I have (undercover went to bowlingintel once in a while) BELIEVE me Aslan,, they have this FEAR that you will do JUST THAT!!!
    Its almost like the fear of an ask-troid out in space, coming toward EARTH!! Will it hit earth, or be a near miss!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Does ANYONE even remotely agree with me??!

    Bowl1820?? Rob?? MikeW? There's not ONE bowler in this highly touted community that feels knowledge is power?

    So THIS is what devolved into? A group of bowlers that never practices (Mudpuppy claims I could afford 2 leagues if I stop practicing so much), that carries 4-9 bowling balls to the SAME house on the SAME lanes....yet knows NOTHING about the balls nor when to make a change...other than, "I wasn't feelin it."???

    Should I insert a link to Rob's "Know Your Arsenal" article?? Wait...why am I now arguing on the side of Bowl1820 and Rob? Those guys think I'm even more of a loon than the rest of these guys. Screw it. I'm going to get an account on BowlingIntel and talk about numbers...all this "going on feel" and "Iceman's furry" is making me nauseous.
    All the knowledge is fine.

    The one significant flaw I see in many bowlers, which negates most of the knowledge, is the inability to objectively watch their ball go down the lane.

    Is the roll point too early, too late. Does the ball hit the right spot on the head pin. Does it over deflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    All the knowledge is fine.

    The one significant flaw I see in many bowlers, which negates most of the knowledge, is the inability to objectively watch their ball go down the lane.

    Is the roll point too early, too late. Does the ball hit the right spot on the head pin. Does it over deflect.
    I can definitely agree with this. While I feel I am really good at watching others balls and determining these factors, I am not doing it well on my own throws. Any suggestions on how to MAKE this happen...I think I am so focused on the approach, delivery and watching the ball path (accuracy) I tend to forget to watch the roll as well as the deflection at the pins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classygranny View Post
    I can definitely agree with this. While I feel I am really good at watching others balls and determining these factors, I am not doing it well on my own throws. Any suggestions on how to MAKE this happen...I think I am so focused on the approach, delivery and watching the ball path (accuracy) I tend to forget to watch the roll as well as the deflection at the pins.
    Well Classygranny that lives in the wonderful state of AZ, where the weather is absolutely wonderful this time of year... the Simple answer is FOCUS a little longer!! YOU are on your approach, and delivery, (Just hang in there a little longer and you got! (You forget each time?,,, add Ginkgo Biloba 24% to your supplements it helps with memory lol).

    In reality, its easy I know to say, Just stay in your FOCUS A LITTLE LONGER, but it boils down to dong just that.

    I don't know how many times I say Focus on your mark, and hit it, and then couldn't tell you where the ball landed. lol

    I do know when I have a great game or series, it all boils down to FOCUS, and studying, observing the landing of the ball, and the moment down the lane, and entry into the pocket! It tells me EVERYTHING I need to know to make corrections on my next shot!
    My main problem THEN is MAKING IT HAPPEN!! LOL

    Maybe before we both bowl we should have a mantra that we say BEFORE EACH SHOT! I will write mine tonight!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    Send some of that heat up this way!!!
    Wouldnt that cause the ICEMAN to melt
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    A prime example is PDW. He freely admits to knowing nothing technical about bowling balls. He has been known to go to Storm Rep Chris Schlemmer and tell him, "I really like this ball, make it do something different." The key here is that the successful touring pros who don't know anthing about bowling balls have ball reps to know about the balls for them.
    I now have even less respect for him than before. I realize pros have experts to help them just like us casual bowlers have house pros…but the idea that a Nascar driver knows nothing about different tires and a pro bowler can't explain the basics of a overstock is absurd…and they should be ashamed of themselves if thats the case. I used to play paintball regularly, and one of my biggest irritations was all the noobs that showed up and couldn't use their equipment because they couldn't understand the basics of how it worked. They didn't understand the basics of how to diagnose the problems and why their guns stopped working. I had to take their guns, disassemble them, make a few adjustments….whammo…problem solved. And believe me…I'm NOT mechanical!! I can barely change the brakes on my car. But if I'm driving an hour to use a piece of equipment and compete…I'm gonna at least know the basics of how the equipment works.

    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    I have (undercover went to bowlingintel once in a while) BELIEVE me Aslan,, they have this FEAR that you will do JUST THAT!!!
    Its almost like the fear of an ask-troid out in space, coming toward EARTH!! Will it hit earth, or be a near miss!
    Well Ice, Ive been told that I'm not welcome there…despite those making that comment ever having dealt with me here…so I doubt I'd last very long. Unless…like most people on the internet…I pretend to be something/someone I'm not. Maybe pretend I'm older or a woman or a former PBA bowler. As long as I don't "argue" right? Who knows…maybe I'm already there. ; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    Well Classygranny that lives in the wonderful state of AZ, where the weather is absolutely wonderful this time of year... the Simple answer is FOCUS a little longer!! YOU are on your approach, and delivery, (Just hang in there a little longer and you got! (You forget each time?,,, add Ginkgo Biloba 24% to your supplements it helps with memory lol).

    In reality, its easy I know to say, Just stay in your FOCUS A LITTLE LONGER, but it boils down to dong just that.

    I don't know how many times I say Focus on your mark, and hit it, and then couldn't tell you where the ball landed. lol

    I do know when I have a great game or series, it all boils down to FOCUS, and studying, observing the landing of the ball, and the moment down the lane, and entry into the pocket! It tells me EVERYTHING I need to know to make corrections on my next shot!
    My main problem THEN is MAKING IT HAPPEN!! LOL

    Maybe before we both bowl we should have a mantra that we say BEFORE EACH SHOT! I will write mine tonight!!
    Send some of that heat up this way!!!
    Iceman I find that meditation before and during bowling is a big help. There are a lot of techniques I use. A mantra could work too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    I now have even less respect for him than before. I realize pros have experts to help them just like us casual bowlers have house pros…but the idea that a Nascar driver knows nothing about different tires and a pro bowler can't explain the basics of a overstock is absurd…and they should be ashamed of themselves if thats the case. I used to play paintball regularly, and one of my biggest irritations was all the noobs that showed up and couldn't use their equipment because they couldn't understand the basics of how it worked. They didn't understand the basics of how to diagnose the problems and why their guns stopped working. I had to take their guns, disassemble them, make a few adjustments….whammo…problem solved. And believe me…I'm NOT mechanical!! I can barely change the brakes on my car. But if I'm driving an hour to use a piece of equipment and compete…I'm gonna at least know the basics of how the equipment works.



    Well Ice, Ive been told that I'm not welcome there…despite those making that comment ever having dealt with me here…so I doubt I'd last very long. Unless…like most people on the internet…I pretend to be something/someone I'm not. Maybe pretend I'm older or a woman or a former PBA bowler. As long as I don't "argue" right? Who knows…maybe I'm already there. ; )
    I am highly mechanical - I work on my own vehicles including my bike. I also have studied material sciences extensively. I worked in a lot of shops - machine, fabrications, etc. I know all about PPAPs, mechanical drawings, electrical drawings, datums, quality inspection including welding metallurgy, etc. etc. I have zero interest in RGs or coverstocks and I find the knowledge of zero value to my game. That's my opinion. Although I do agree with you and I understand where you are coming from - knowing the basics. No different than these fools that never rode a motorcycle before buying a 200hp Suzuki GSXR and showing up to bike night in Royal Oak in shorts, wife beater and flip flops reving the engine. You do need a basic knowledge regardless of the subject and yes it irritates me too when people don't take the time to learn basic knowledge or try to understand something but complain it doesn't work. I feel like I have more than a basic knowledge of the game - mostly due to Earl Anthony and 20 years of my own bowling experience. That just doesn't include those specifics because I don't feel I need those to maintain or improve my game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudpuppy View Post
    Although I do agree with you and I understand where you are coming from - knowing the basics. No different than these fools that never rode a motorcycle before buying a 200hp Suzuki GSXR and showing up to bike night in Royal Oak in shorts, wife beater and flip flops reving the engine.
    Most people that show up for bike night in Roayl Oak are idiots.

    It's a shame because what really hurts motorcycling is that people get a "itch", they buy one...and I swear they crash it in less than 2 weeks of owning it. They literally crash it before they have a permit to legally operate it in many cases.

    And I don't know whats more ignorant. The helmetless MC 1%er wannabe that is decked out head to toe in leather and harley vests....yet apparently thinks his bald head will protect him from a crash....or the crotch rocket guy with a $500 helmet who decides the rest of his body is only worth protecting by shorts, a tank top, and sandals. Idiots.

    I've never dumped. The closest I came was I parked by bike on an uneven parking lot and it "fell" over because I had a heavy bag strapped to it. Fortunately no damage. But I've come close. I've felt that back tire slide out on more than one occasion. And the difference between getting up and walking over to your bike after dumping it...and being a statistic or having a body of scar tissue...is putting on a helmet and wearing a leather coat and at least long pants. I rode in shorts ONE time...2 blocks to the gas station. I burnt my leg on the exhaust pipe and had to go to the emergency room. That was the first and last time.

    Now...did I follow those rules as a youngster on dirt bikes??? Uhhh...nope. Almost always wore a helmet though. And dirt is a LOT more forgiving than pavement!!

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