Flat 10 vs Ring 10

[Mike White]

So last night I had 5 in a row the in frames 6 and 7 i went flat 10. Moved one board left strike, fast 8, and pocket 7-10. With those results should I have made that adjustment?

If can honestly say you felt like you had a quality release, and you left a flat 10, then you need to move.

By quality, I mean a release that is near the best you can repeat.

If however the release felt like crap, or at least significantly less than quality, then it's best not to adjust, just throw the ball better next time.

Unless you plan on throwing crap releases the rest of the night.

I just notice you said you moved left to "solve" the problem

It's also possible, even with a quality release, that you had the ball left of the oil line.

That would reduce the energy transferred from forward speed into revs (ball doesn't rev up much and doesn't slow down much). A lack of rotational momentum allows for extra deflection.

I think the best way to word the situation is hitting the pins with an unstable core. That covers both "hasn't revved up", and "rolled out"

[tccstudent]

Those two flat 10's were good balls with good releases and I thought both were strikes out of my hand

[bowl1820]

Here's a post by motivgirl from awhile back that seems on point.

First,how is the ball supposed to hit the pins?The ball should enter the pocket
so that it strikes the 3 on its left-hand third(for right-handers).This forces
the 3 into the 6 at an angle so the 6 comes off the side-board into the 10.
If you are hitting too much of the 3(closer to the center of the pin),the 3 sends
the 6 into the side-board at an angle that sends it around the 10.This is a
"half-pocket 10 pin." The half-pocket 10 is when the ball looks like makes
contact with the headpin and 3 at the same time.It doesn't,but it will look that
way because of the angle at which it enters the pocket.You are getting to much
of the 3 with the ball,so you will need to make a slight adjustment to carry it out.
You can tighten your line,adjust everything about a board-either right with
your feet or left with your target,increase your hook slightly.The correct move
will be the one to get the ball to strike the 3 on the left third of the pin.

The ringing tens.
First there is one where the 6 shoots up and wraps around the neck of the 10.
This usually says,that there is an entry angle problem.The ball is entering the
pocket at an angle that causes the 6 to fly out and up toward the neck of the 10.This happens because the ball is pushing the 3 too far back so the chain
reaction causes this result.
The fixes are easy.Either soften up the entry angle with your hand or by
tightening your line and firming up your speed,moving left and softening up
your speed,or change to a ball that has a similar front end movement but
less aggressive on the backend.

Second ringing 10.When the 6 shoots around the middle of the 10,it is still
called a ringing 10,but the cause and solution are different.The cause is
similar and the solutions are also,but in this case,the preferable option
is to slow the ball down.You just need give it a split second more reaction
time and a softer hit.

Third ringing 10.There is an occasional 10 leave where the 6 shoots around
the base of the 10.There is nothing you can do about it.Normally,this is telling
you the 3 may be of spot,so check the pin placements.

The soft 10. The ball enters the pocket either fairly flush or half-pocket and the 6 just falls falls in the gutter next to the 10.Generally,this tells you that you
have hold in the middle part of the lane and you are either too fast or too deep
with the ball you have to use it.Since this hold always creates high scores
you want to be able to take advantage of it.
There are at least three adjustments you can make.If you are a hard thrower,
slow the ball down and send it a little right to open up the lane.You want
your feet to be far enough outside so you have "tug" area inside.Second:make
sure that the ball doesn't start on the oil and stay on the oil.Hold only helps
if you are in a position to use it to set up your shot when needed.
Third:Check the equipment you are using.This is the time to use larger flaring balls.The swing area outside and hold area inside means the lanes are wide
open so you will want the ball that can produce the most strikes.Always make
physical adjustments first.Changing balls should always be last.

The first rule of good scoring is "Keep the pins low on the deck"When pins fly,
you want them flying around at the height that is equal to the fattest part of
the pins when they are standing.
When a pin flies around mid-pin high,you have a better chance of that pin hitting something else.If the pins you have knocked down are rolling around on the pindeck,they have a better chance to hit something.
When all of the pin action is up toward the neck of pins or higher your chances
of carrying are less.

One last word.The "messenger strike".This may look cool,and you may carry
one of these hits,we don't play for these.It is the sign of a mistake that went right.In order to get a messenger(the head pin)to go back across the lane to the 10,you have the ball coming in late (light).
Unless you are a cranker who plays for light pocket hits"and is going to pay
the price in a split combo".You need to slow your ball speed down a little to
get the shot into the strike area.

This was posted by Coolerman on BBE.He is my coach and mentor.

[Mike White]

Those two flat 10's were good balls with good releases and I thought both were strikes out of my hand

At no time until you saw the results, did you think anything might be wrong with the shot?

Like the location the ball hitting the head pin being light?

The path the ball took to the head pin being a little straighter than the others?

It's just my experience that having everything look proper, then leave a flat 10 is a rare occurrence.

Thats both in my game, and watching many others.

Now when I say look proper..
I mean what the shot looked like to me.

The bowler's opinion tends to be… um.. biased.

[Aslan]

Thank you Bowl 1820. I hate "B***h Sessions". I thought this was a place to get some advice on bowling technique. I hope all discussions don't devolve into drama.

Only discussions about 10-pins. All other threads are complete love-fests.

As Motiv girl said about messenger strikes...I have a similar dilemma with Brooklyn strikes. There are times when I swear every 2 out of 3 strikes is Brooklyn. It happens so often that I start to think..."maybe I should just throw for Brooklyn strikes...I mean, it's the same score on the scoresheet!" I know thats NOT the attitude to take...but man...I get a LOT of Brooklyn strikes!!

[Mike White]

I often thought ???? had a half dozen bowling books in his computer room, and he would just paraphrase them for many of his responses..
I look back at many of his threads, and I some time wonder if 30 percent of what he said was even close to the truth! His war stories, ???? lol was he even in the military??? who knows or cares!
Once You Catch a person lying, its hard to take anything they say serious!

I knew from finding out his true average, that he was not real!

LOL,, MIKE, I realize Rob is not a God, like Bill, but Opinions are ok in my book! I enjoy reading them all!

Do me a HUGE FAVOR MIKE,,,, GET ASLAN straightened OUT!! He needs HELP!! Bless his lonely womanless heart!
Do you have a sister out there MIKE? LOL

My comment about Rob comparing to ???? is just what you describe about having books.

A lot of what Rob types can be sourced to knowledgeable people, but other parts of what he types can be sourced to pure idiots.

I think he doesn't want to "debate" his opinions because they are just things he's read about.

As for Rob being a USBC Silver level coach, it's less impressive when you consider USBC does list ???? as a Bronze level coach.

Much like any schooling, you get what you put into it, so if you pay the fees, attend the seminars, and pass some form of test, you get the title.

In my opinion, it's not worth the time and $ in my area. Around here, we don't have bowling in high schools or the local colleges.

My coaching is more of a "loss leader".

I get them walking better, and releasing the ball better.

Then when they have a stable physical game, we talk about what kind of bowling ball would best suit them.

As for a Sister, yes I do, but no way in hell would she be interested in the likes of Aslan.

Some of her info on IMDB

The site however is very incomplete.

http://www.linkedin.com

I'm not a member of linkedin.com so I don't know what all she has listed there.

She works for Disney now as an editor, but had spent most of her time in the industry as a "free agent"

Some recent movies she has worked on are Frozen, Wreck-It-Ralph, Enchanted, Bed Time Stories.

[RobLV1]

Wow, when I respond I get bashed and when I don't respond I get bashed. That, sir, is why I don't respond. As I said before, you obviously need to attack me to feel better about yourself. After watching some of the "tournament" video, you seemed like a nice enough guy, then you start spewing hate once again. Now you are not only going after me, but the entire USBC Coaching program. Say what you like about me, but please tell everyone why, if the Certification Program is just paying some money and passing some tests, why is it that the likes of Walter Ray Williams Jr. bothered to become Silver Certified? Why is it that both Rino Page and Tony Reyes sat in the same room and took the same Silver Certification tests that I did? Why is it that part of my Level I class was to teach one of the other participants to bowl with their wrong hand as an exercise in teaching beginning bowling basics, and the other "student" who I taught was Mark Baker?

Your statement of using coaching as a "loss leader" for selling bowling balls is very true. Unfortunately, with that attitude, along with your lack of professional training in coaching, the people who lose are the ones who come to you for help.

[MICHAEL]

WHY THE BLOOD LETTING!!!! Mike give your opinions, and Rob give yours! Neither of you need to correct the other??? I DON't GET IT! PEACE!! NO one that I can tell is lying, like the Bowling God, Bilf!!

Their is room enough for a host of opinions, so why the attack MIKE?

Hey you sister sounds like a very talented lady! I bet your REAL proud of her, like I am of my sister, who has her doctorates degree in pharmacy! Not only that, she is ONE HOT LOOKING WOMAN!! LOL

NO ASLAN,,, she is married!!!