Thing I would like to incorporate in my swing......
That thing would be the inside out swing. I must have some of it now because I can play kind of deep and walk straight and throw my ball to a target left(I am left handed). But when I make my swing it doesn't feel like it is as inside out as it should be. What I should do is get a qualified coach and have him critique my swing. I know you are supposed to keep your swing under your head at release to get enough power on the ball when it comes off of your hand. When you see a pro swing from behind them you can see that they swing straight back but on the forward swing you can see their ball side arm tuck in close to their side and when they let their ball go it goes close to their ankle and out to the right.
I was thinking of trying this out at practice. Hopefully I can do this without ramming the ball into the back of my leg. What I think would keep this from happening is staying on the inside of the ball with my hand until it gets near the release area. Plus the weight of the ball should keep my arm straight and away from the back of my leg. Anyone else here trying to get the inside out swing?
I think a lot of what you see is the illusion of camera angle.Originally Posted by Hammer
The ball from it's peak of the backswing, down and through your target should be on the same vertical plane.
If the camera lens isn't also on that plane, you get the illusion of a change of direction (inside out).
Norm Duke talks about the figure 8. But his description doesn't quite follow the laws of physics.
So it's more of a teaching tool than a true description of what is happening.
You can really see the pros inside out swing on the YOUTUBE video Analysis of Modern 10-pin Bowling Swing and Release. The ball does go straight back but on the way down their ball arm comes inside toward their body and gets close to the ankle at the bottom of the swing and the ball then goes out to the right. If the ball went straight back and from the top of the backswing went straight forward the ball wouldn't be going out to the right.
I'd like to incoporate that whole "inside quadrant" thing into my release/swing...where my elbow is inside and my hand on the inside of the ball...but thus far...all attempts to do that and open the ball to the outside have been miserable failures. At one point 2 weeks ago I got so confused with my hand position and trying to get the hand inside the ball...I fell down at the foul line because I guess I was taking too big of steps (not paying attention) and almost walked out onto the lane surface. Doht.
There's a reason so few people can do that sort of swing - it's really friggin hard to build consistency using it. You're imparting lateral muscle movement during a gross forward/to back movement of the shoulder, then more movements on your release at the end...that's something you're going to have to drill into your muscle memory for a long damned time, have some natural physical aptitude to do it, and even then there's no guarantee you'll be as good with that motion as you are without.
I can do it, but it's a challenge and harder on my wrist than I'm comfortable with, especially as I age. Sometimes you gotta be a little careful what you wish for.
Well, reading all this modern bowling stuff and DYDS...it just seems to get burned into your head that if you DON'T develop a modern swing and release...you might as well just settle for bowling a 125 during cosmic bowling or joining a no-tap league because you'll never be a good enough bowler to be taken seriously. I'd like to SOMEDAY throw a 300-game....SOMEDAY. And if that means falling in line with a modern release...then I guess I gotta board that train.
The "modern" game is a trend, nothing more. People were dominating the sport with all the things that folks like Slowinski now would tell you that you're wrong for doing, and I can name half a dozen pros with huge flaws in their delivery.
There's no rule, there's generally agreed upon "fundamentals".
It does seem a little "odd" that if you bowl like WRW, people say you aren't bowling correctly...yet WRW has more PBA titles than anyone in history and is largely considered the single best bowler (overall) on the planet.
For me its simple, I'm just starting out bowling so I'm trying to incorporate the "modern" stuff like the release etc, while consulting with a high level coach who coaches top level PBA pros once every month or two.
Due to the uncertain job market here in San Diego, I've unfortunately been left with a LOT of time on my hands that I won't have when I start working full time again (whether its here or back home on the east coast), so why not try to learn everything I can now. I have time on my hands so I practice 6 - 10 hours/week as bowling is literally the only cheap thing to do here in San Diego (my home alley charges 1.75/game for league bowlers), and since I don't have a style yet I'm going with the latest techniques that seem to help people achieve the most success.
The way I look at it is this, for me it's been one step forward, half a step back and so on. I'm fine with that, as I'm still in week 22 of my first ever league and I joined the team as an absolute beginner who for the last 3 weeks has carried the team. That said, as I continue to develop my style if my average goes down or it gets worse before it gets better I'm fine with that.
I just want to learn and try everything I can at the beginning while I'm developing my "style", rather than 10 or 15 years down the road have to try to unlearn things I've been doing for over a decade or longer - just makes sense to me.
I think the modern swing was developed for bowlers to be able to handle the new balls with their asymmetric and symmetric cores and the new surfaces that grip the lanes better then the rubber or urethane balls did. It would be interesting to see an old school bowler using modern equipment go up against a modern technique bowler with new equipment and see how that would pan out.
Would the old school technique be able to handle a modern bowling ball?
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