New driling layout

[Mike White]

Iceman: It's really not a matter of your PAP being "right" or "wrong." While it may very well have changed from three years ago, unless you have made very significant changes to your release, it's probably still fairly close. The important thing about your PAP is the fact that you are using one to have your balls drilled. The main idea of using the PAP to determine layouts is to get away from one bowler looking at another bowler's ball and thinking that positioning the pin and the cg the same will result in the same reaction for him. If a layout works for you, it really doesn't matter a whole lot if the angles are exactly as they are written.

Mike White: Once again your choice to argue a technicality does nothing other than to confuse the bowlers who are trying to learn something about bowling balls. Most bowlers don't know that axis migration is what causes flare. The exact direction of the axis migration is not important to them. How about if we start telling them that different angles to the VAL, or pin buffers if you prefer the Storm system, change the direction of the axis migration, and really confuse them? What is really important to you, helping the bowlers here who are asking for help, or constantly focusing on being right?

My comment about the migration path is no more confusing than your comment about the migration path.

If the idea is something a person wishes to ignore, they can ignore both mine and your comment equally.

If however they seek the truth about the migration path, it's best not to leave just your description as if it were accepted as truth.

I will stop pointing out your errors as soon as you stop making errors that I am aware of.

If it makes you happy, one of my customers, while bowling on Tuesday was trying to find a good line to the pocket, but all of his moves just wouldn't work, weak finish, or nose dive.

About the middle of the 2nd game (I didn't see his 1st game) I simply told him he needed to change balls.

He proceeded to throw the last 5 strikes, then start the next game with the first 9. He left an 8-10 in the 10th which was probably a case of the nerves.

So there is one more person in the world not afraid to change balls at any moment.

[MICHAEL]

LOVE IS THE ANSWER

We enjoy, and appreciate each of your personal thoughts and pointers! Maybe you should both just give YOUR THOUGHTS, and not mention, or critique one another's theories of bowling!

I for one, enjoy reading both of your thoughts, along with bowl1820!

Lets keep is civil,,,, I don't want to close this thread! I believe in good conversation, and freedom!

Love,,,,, Love is in the AIR,,,, can't you feel it!!??

[ghetto24]

See, I don't get that at all. I could see if your pin down balls were hitting the inner quadrant of the thumb hole and you pin up balls were hitting the center or outer part of the thumb hole. On the initial track, I mean. But you seem to be saying that your pin up balls tracked outside the thumb hole. How can a full roller lay-out move the initial track all the way to the inside of the thumb hole?

Or does your ball always hit the thumb hole right off your hand and then flares one way or the other depending on the lay-out?

with pin down it hits the thumb the entire time. with pin up, it hits maybe once or twice.

[ghetto24]

i use to be a full roller but i changed out of it from all the work i have done with my bowling

all the changing i have done over this year has turned me into a full roller