Is it okay to put the fingers into the shot with current bowling balls?

[Hammer]

What Rob is talking about is getting use to not hitting up on the ball at the release. From what I understand is that at release you still keep your fingertips bent like when you put them into the ball. The uncupping of the wrist and leaving your fingers bent will put revs on the ball with the ball pulling off of your fingers. What you don't do mistakenly is straighten out your fingertips to let the ball go.

[sprocket]

Nope. My whole hand straightens out at the same time including the finger tips. If they stay bent they will drag in the holes causing early roll and early turn. At least that's how it feels to me. I haven't seen a close up video of my release to know for sure.

[Hammer]

Nope. My whole hand straightens out at the same time including the finger tips. If they stay bent they will drag in the holes causing early roll and early turn. At least that's how it feels to me. I haven't seen a close up video of my release to know for sure.

In the YOUTUBE video Analysis of Modern 10-pin Bowling Swing and Release they show in slow motion a part of the video
called fingers last. If you look closely at that part of the video you will see that as the fingers come out they are still bent.
This is what puts rotation on the ball as you uncup and the ball pulls off of you fingertips without having to hit up on the ball.

[Mike White]

The faster you learn to get your fingers out of the equation, the better off you'll be. For some reason, modern bowling balls hook much better on their own than they do with any help from us.

If getting the fingers out of the ball is a good thing, I've got this game mastered.

After doing a damage to my bicep muscle, I'm back to throwing the ball fairly straight with absolutely no muscle involved, and very little if any fingers hitting the ball.

Evidence to the "no fingers" part is my numerous 5-7, 5-10, and 8-10 splits.

Oh and if I miss my mark a board right, 1-2-4-5-10.

I just got out of this hell, and I'm right back in it.

[Hammer]

If getting the fingers out of the ball is a good thing, I've got this game mastered.

After doing a damage to my bicep muscle, I'm back to throwing the ball fairly straight with absolutely no muscle involved, and very little if any fingers hitting the ball.

Evidence to the "no fingers" part is my numerous 5-7, 5-10, and 8-10 splits.

Oh and if I miss my mark a board right, 1-2-4-5-10.

I just got out of this hell, and I'm right back in it.

What kind of ball are you using? Maybe you need a ball with a lower RG like 2.50 and 2000 Abralon surface. Are you bowling on a THS pattern? Depending on what core is in the ball you can get a good hook without helping the ball with the finger lift.

[Mike White]

What kind of ball are you using? Maybe you need a ball with a lower RG like 2.50 and 2000 Abralon surface. Are you bowling on a THS pattern? Depending on what core is in the ball you can get a good hook without helping the ball with the finger lift.

I've tried very low RG balls such as Brunswick Mastermind.

The issue is while in pain avoidance mode, my approach is very similar to throwing at a 10 pin.

Video of my "flat" release using a Hell Raiser Revenge

Over the years, I developed a 10 pin shot that was very energy efficient, allowing me to bounce pins out of the pit frequently.

Now using that style (because it's the only thing my body knows how to repeat that doesn't hurt the arm) my main focus is releasing the ball slower.

The whole hand motion is designed to be ineffective, since you don't need hook to knock down single pins.

Ineffective release at any speed = 5-7, 5-10, 8-10.


To make a modern ball work like it does for others, I'd have to wait until I'm healthy, then completely break down the release, and rebuild it.

The problem there is, if I'm healthy, I can take a non-modern ball, and get even better reaction from it.

White Dot with a healthy arm, but a rusty body.

So my options are, improve my body condition to withstand my pre-modern release, or completely destroy the game I know, and learn a new one.

[sprocket]

You're entire approach is better in the first video, lack of hook or not. I would stick with it and just work on your release motion. It will come. You are muscling the hell out of the ball in the second video.

[Mike White]

You're entire approach is better in the first video, lack of hook or not. I would stick with it and just work on your release motion. It will come. You are muscling the hell out of the ball in the second video.

I find it interesting that the problem you see in the 2nd video is the muscling.

I'm curious as a no thumb bowler, how do you achieve 17.5 - 19 mph without a long pendulum backswing?

[MICHAEL]

I find it interesting that the problem you see in the 2nd video is the muscling.

I'm curious as a no thumb bowler, how do you achieve 17.5 - 19 mph without a long pendulum backswing?

MIke,,, a little love here!! Don't be so defensive. If you don't agree with a commit, and that commit is someone giving an opinion about you, or something you have said , YOU ATTACK!!

Mike,, this is a form. You are not o trial, nor is your life depending on you being absolutely correct in your thoughts, or ideas about BOWLING!

YES is JUST BOWLING,,, nothing personal! I want a little more LOVE, and less defensive posturing.

I like you mike, lighten up.

Or not, its up to you,,, God Bless America!!! Home of the best bowlers in the World!!

p.s. For what its worth bud, I thought you had a great delivery! I should be so smooth!! Take care of that ARM!
Have you ever read about DMSO! GREAT stuff, I have used for over 7 years! Actually have a couple books on
the subject. NOTHING LIKE IT for pain and inflammation!

[MICHAEL]

He didn't mean get your fingers out of the ball faster.

He's saying the faster you learn not to lift (aka: putting fingers into, hitting up) on the ball, the better off you'll be.

Wow! Iceman has been told by MANY good bowlers around town, "Put some Finger, LIFT, into that ball."

Now your saying don't lift? bowl820, your saying don't lift?

On a side note that British guy that I have seen on TV here lately, ( can't think of his name right off hand), looks like he has NO LIFT at all? Very strange, non follow through compared to all American bowlers.

How does he get the great revs, and bowl so well using a straight out arm release.

I must admit, I would like to give this idea a go!! It hasn't registered, exactly as to how to do this release.

NOT TO LIFT, NOT to put your fingers into hitting up? Maybe to truly learn this, I need to have a lesion with an expert!