Please review my video.

[TotallyDefiant]

Any tips are welcomed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW8NlW5bmyA

[vdubtx]

Not an expert at dissecting anyone's form, but from what I saw you have no push away on your approach. I used to be the same way, adding a push away on your first step can help keep timing in line.

Another thing I saw was there is not much of an arm swing. With a push away this should get you going to an arm swing. Push away and let the ball travel back and then forward for your delivery. One last thing was your feet seem to be fast. Slow down just a bit.

Check out Chris Barnes' video for 4 step and 5 step approaches. I always seem to go back to this video when I need a quick primer to get myself back in to time with my steps.



Overall I saw good form.

Again, just my $.02, not an expert nor a coach here.

[TotallyDefiant]

Not an expert at dissecting anyone's form, but from what I saw you have no push away on your approach. I used to be the same way, adding a push away on your first step can help keep timing in line.

Another thing I saw was there is not much of an arm swing. With a push away this should get you going to an arm swing. Push away and let the ball travel back and then forward for your delivery. One last thing was your feet seem to be fast. Slow down just a bit.

Check out Chris Barnes' video for 4 step and 5 step approaches. I always seem to go back to this video when I need a quick primer to get myself back in to time with my steps.



Overall I saw good form.

Again, just my $.02, not an expert nor a coach here.

That is what I thought about my foot work after watching the video. I personally thought it was too fast and too hard to repeat consistently. Even with that short arm swing my speed is still averaging close to 17.5mph. Thank you for the tips..

[sprocket]

Pretty well muscled. IMHO, if you didn't want to make drastic changes to get a proper back swing you might be a good candidate to try thumbless. Yeah, OK go ahead and shoot me now.

But think about this: You can get 17.5MPH without much back swing. Most thumbless guys lack speed because they can't get good speed and balance without back swing. But you can!

[noeymc]

your timing is ok could be better and prop will be if you free your swing up there is no such thing as proper forum everyone has there own style you have a hinge instead of a push off i would stop muscling the ball thing a swing set how you float at the top for a sec different angels would help try to wear shorts as well so we can see knee bend

questions for u

do u have a knee problem if so i would slide sliding is easier on the knees

how consistent are u at hitting ur mark

[TotallyDefiant]

Pretty well muscled. IMHO, if you didn't want to make drastic changes to get a proper back swing you might be a good candidate to try thumbless. Yeah, OK go ahead and shoot me now.

But think about this: You can get 17.5MPH without much back swing. Most thumbless guys lack speed because they can't get good speed and balance without back swing. But you can!

I actually use to bowl thumbless before I bought my new ball. I hated the fact that the big swinging hook from the very first board on the left all the way to the first board on the right was very inconsistent and could not repeat it on every throw. Yes, I still threw the ball between 17-18mph thumbless but I could not string strikes together they way I can now with more control over the ball which is why I wanted to go back to a traditional grip. I mean don't get me wrong I could throw a 240 thumbless or I could throw a 120. I hated the inconsistency. Since I have started bowling this way my bad games are in the 160s and my semi good games are 190-200. Just looking for advise because I want my bad games to be where my good games are now.

[TotallyDefiant]

your timing is ok could be better and prop will be if you free your swing up there is no such thing as proper forum everyone has there own style you have a hinge instead of a push off i would stop muscling the ball thing a swing set how you float at the top for a sec different angels would help try to wear shorts as well so we can see knee bend

questions for u

do u have a knee problem if so i would slide sliding is easier on the knees

how consistent are u at hitting ur mark

I do not have any knee problems with my left leg. The right leg is a different story. I do not think you would want me shooting a video with me wearing shorts. The glare would be so bad you would not be able to see anything other than a blur lol. As far as hitting my mark it is inconsistent at the moment. Just something I have been thinking about after watching a lot of videos and some tips a coach gave me on another site that could probably help me out a ton is this. I think I need to slow my feet down a bit, get my hand back behind the ball, and concentrate on keeping my hand low and as close to my body as possible and just work really hard and trying to teach myself to rotate my wrist at release. Hopefully, if I work on that as hard as I did my golf swing I will get the hang of it. The rotating of the wrist is a rather difficult thing for me to do.

[noeymc]

I do not have any knee problems with my left leg. The right leg is a different story. I do not think you would want me shooting a video with me wearing shorts. The glare would be so bad you would not be able to see anything other than a blur lol. As far as hitting my mark it is inconsistent at the moment. Just something I have been thinking about after watching a lot of videos and some tips a coach gave me on another site that could probably help me out a ton is this. I think I need to slow my feet down a bit, get my hand back behind the ball, and concentrate on keeping my hand low and as close to my body as possible and just work really hard and trying to teach myself to rotate my wrist at release. Hopefully, if I work on that as hard as I did my golf swing I will get the hang of it. The rotating of the wrist is a rather difficult thing for me to do.

if you do feel any pain in your knees i would suggest adding a slide if your not feeling any pain or discomfort keep planting the in consistently in hitting your mark could come from many different things the most common issues are your not watching the ball roll over your mark, your muscling the ball, squeezing the ball with your hands... obv you are muscling the ball so id start by freeing up your swing and try just slowing your first step down and watch how much its slows your feet down now by doing this it will affect your timing so dont be mad if your scores drop a little gotta go down before you go up right? as far as the wrist i would work on keep it straight and just throwing the ball like your going to shake somones hand or grab pin in such id only pick 2-3 things to work on at a time any more then that and u might create a bad habit

[Aslan]

That is what I thought about my foot work after watching the video. I personally thought it was too fast and too hard to repeat consistently. Even with that short arm swing my speed is still averaging close to 17.5mph. Thank you for the tips..

Agreed. The footwork is fast and furious. I'd have to play it inslow motion to see the actual footwork. Seems very hard to repeat consistently.

if you didn't want to make drastic changes to get a proper back swing you might be a good candidate to try thumbless.

But think about this: You can get 17.5MPH without much back swing. Most thumbless guys lack speed because they can't get good speed and balance without back swing. But you can!

No.

I mean don't get me wrong I could throw a 240 thumbless or I could throw a 120. I hated the inconsistency. Since I have started bowling this way my bad games are in the 160s and my semi good games are 190-200.

Ding ding ding!! Downside to thumbless and 2-handed (or even high rev cranking)? Inconsistency.

I'm like you TD; I CAN score higher if I start throwing higher rev at 19-21mph. But my games look like 179-119-224-118-145-234-109. Throwing at lower speed and loft with less revs...it's not as "flashy", but I can throw 159-165-179-181-167-169. Two weeks ago I almost won a triplicate patch (throwing 3 games with the same score in a series). Consistency isn't my problem. It's that I'm not consistently awesome that is my problem.

[TotallyDefiant]

Agreed. The footwork is fast and furious. I'd have to play it inslow motion to see the actual footwork. Seems very hard to repeat consistently.

No.

Ding ding ding!! Downside to thumbless and 2-handed (or even high rev cranking)? Inconsistency.

I'm like you TD; I CAN score higher if I start throwing higher rev at 19-21mph. But my games look like 179-119-224-118-145-234-109. Throwing at lower speed and loft with less revs...it's not as "flashy", but I can throw 159-165-179-181-167-169. Two weeks ago I almost won a triplicate patch (throwing 3 games with the same score in a series). Consistency isn't my problem. It's that I'm not consistently awesome that is my problem.

I really am not to concerned with how long, how high of a back swing I have. A lot of pro bowlers and really good amateur bowlers have low, short back swings. I just want consistent and as close to proper as I can get. The bowling swing is similar to the golf swing from my analysis. Yes, I am use to analyzing very technical golf swings as I dissected my golf swing constantly and could dissect any pro golfers swing to the tiniest thing and tell them where their misses are coming from. If I can get as good at bowling as I was at golf then I will be a happy individual. Same principals apply in both sports. Hours and hours of practicing proper technique will lead to better scores.