Way to Flippy of a ball,, HELP

[MICHAEL]

You know in my short time bowling, I have noticed that many bowlers seem to have this DRILLING problem! They have their balls laid out to do a HUGE FLIP at the end.

example: I have seen, (what looks like a GREAT SHOT going toward the pocket, only to FLIP in the last Foot or so to the left!) for right hand bowlers.

I see this reaction very often! I then look at the ball they are throwing and one common denominator they ALL seem to have is that they are all pin high, and kicked out usually to the right of ring finger!

As I progress in my bowling knowledge, is this something that most of you think MIGHT JUST BE a mistake! A mistake in asking the driller to give me a HUGE FLIP at the end.

I am beginning to realize that a STRONG FLIP, dose not translate to high scores, but a more controlled drilling might just be a better way to go.

[Perrin]

I see this reaction very often! I then look at the ball they are throwing and one common denominator they ALL seem to have is that they are all pin high, and kicked out usually to the right of ring finger!

part of that is because that is a 'safer' spot for the pro-shop to put the pin to prevent people plaring over the thumb/fingers.
another part is the thing people usually ask for is for the ball to go long and hook hard..... People want that Hockey stick they see the pros throw.


I agree with everyone else btw. Start with surface changes. 4000, 2000 if that's not enough etc. (remember though that with 2000 you will need to touch it up every few sessions)

Next woudl be to move the balance hole.. the only difference here though is that I wiould say to move it down the val to try to get it to start up sooner rather than up to a P1 and reducing the drilled dynamics.

I had great luck with a misfit moving my balance hole from P1 to P3 gives me a much different look.

[bowl1820]

I checked in BTM (the last issue) I thought I remembered something about the tribal snapping too hard in it.

When they changed to a different pattern their Tribal wanted to snap too hard at the back end, what they did was lower the finish to a 2000 wet sand which smoothed out the reaction for them.

[Ptnomore]

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I am beginning to realize that a STRONG FLIP, does not translate to high scores, but a more controlled drilling might just be a better way to go.

Yup. Big Flip means "uncontrollable" to us non-Pro dreamers. Only ball I have drilled like that is the Taboo Jet Black. I have 9 balls I think now, and for every one of them, I had a decent conversation with my Pro shop operator about what I was looking to buy, why I was looking at it, and what I expected it do for me and under what circumstances, that my other balls weren't doing already.

Even the ones that I just wanted to try for something different, we talked about the capability of the ball, the conditions for which it was designed, and what the ball could give me, and he drilled it to give me that. I'm not a numbers guy, and to be honest, they don't interest me. I deal with numbers and structures and engineering stuff all day long. When I leave work, I don't want to see or hear it.

The Taboo Jet black was made to go long, and move off the dry. He gave me pin over ring finger to accentuate the length on the shorter patterns that my house was using at the time. Worked perfectly. But its a situational ball. Haven't used in a year or so.

You may have that same situational ball"with your Tribal, and that drilling. Playing with the surface can help open it up and give you more usage. But it will have it's limits. Time and practice with it will help you determine it's "flight envelop". Don't expect it to work well, for conditions that it was never intended.

[RobLV1]

I think that a surface change is the way to go. One of the guys I bowl with in trios uses a Tribal. I don't know what surface he put on it, but it's definitely dull. I would suggest taking it down to 2000, firm for 15 seconds on four sides and try it. It will probably be too early. If it is. Hit it lightly for 10 seconds on four sides using 4000 to "polish" it.

[MICHAEL]

I will give the 2000 a try, and if it breaks too early put some polish on it! I have reata-shine by storm, I believe its 1500 polish, I have some 2500 polish shine, and recently arrived from bowlingball.com my 5000 grit polish!

Which of these would you recommend to go along with the 2000 four side,(on my spinner) finish!

[RobLV1]

I think you misunderstood. Try the 2000 first, and if it's too early, "polish" it with 4000. Don't use any polish. Polish tends to make a ball react more violently to the friction, and that's what you don't want. By flattening the peaks between the grooves on the surface with 4000 abralon, the ball will take on a slight sheen, but will not over-react to friction like it does with a liquid polish.

[MICHAEL]

I think that a surface change is the way to go. One of the guys I bowl with in trios uses a Tribal. I don't know what surface he put on it, but it's definitely dull. I would suggest taking it down to 2000, firm for 15 seconds on four sides and try it. It will probably be too early. If it is. Hit it lightly for 10 seconds on four sides using 4000 to "polish" it.

Eye see said the blind man!! I will give it a shot, I have a feeling it will break too soon, but will go at this a step at a time. If it does, I will put it on the spinner and lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides, and give it a shot! Thanks... ice

[sprocket]

What I would like to know Mike, is what other bowlers on your team think of your ball reaction. The reaction may be better than you think and just not something you are used to. See if those you trust are on the same page with you on this. Don't trust just your own opinion.

[MICHAEL]

What I would like to know Mike, is what other bowlers on your team think of your ball reaction. The reaction may be better than you think and just not something you are used to. See if those you trust are on the same page with you on this. Don't trust just your own opinion.

Damn sprocket,,,, if,,,IF I can't trust myself,,, who can I trust???? Should I ask Aslan?????