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    While I agree that making adjustments is a crucial part to a game - I'm willing to play the devil's advocate role a little bit. Aslan didn't mention that the guy actually teaches that, only that Aslan asked him if HE moved around. I took it as that's what he personally does on his shot.

    Now, if he coaches that, or honestly believes that his target can account for all shots - then I think you need to find a new coach. I'd also be really interested to find out how his average changes when your lanes switch from wood to synthetics, and if his philosophy stays the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc_runner View Post
    While I agree that making adjustments is a crucial part to a game - I'm willing to play the devil's advocate role a little bit. Aslan didn't mention that the guy actually teaches that, only that Aslan asked him if HE moved around. I took it as that's what he personally does on his shot.

    Now, if he coaches that, or honestly believes that his target can account for all shots - then I think you need to find a new coach. I'd also be really interested to find out how his average changes when your lanes switch from wood to synthetics, and if his philosophy stays the same.
    I might be willing to go along with on that...BUT, if my coach ever said to me "this is what I do" and left it at that, I would be looking for another coach anyway. What he "does" has absolutely nothing to do with my game. In the case of adjustments, the coach should merely give examples of adjustments, when they work, why they work, and suggest what might work best for the student's game.

    While I sometimes am in a situation of bowling when a previous coach is around, I understand the "feeling" of needing to go back to what he teaches, but I learned the hard way, it doesn't pay off. Now, if he (or anyone else for that matter) tells me something contradictory to my current coach, I just say...I will think about that some time off the lanes, but now, I just want to concentrate on xyz" (posting shot, balance, foot speed, or something not related to their comment). Enough said.
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    It's not just me. This particular coach teaches that particular style to numerous people. A guy came up to me during pre-league practice recently and say me throwing that way and mentioned that the coach "preaches that style" which again, leads me to believe that it's not just me...he's giving that advice to whomever seeks his advice.

    What I'm not sure about is...it might be the product of the center/lanes. Like I said, wood lanes are different than synthetic. So if YOU're a pro in a wood lanes center...maybe the advice you give, balls you suggest, and patterns you drill are made in such a way to make bowlers successful in THAT house. Many of the bowlers will never leave that house. So his thought process "might" be that he teaches a method that will make them most successful THERE...knowing they will bowl primarily THERE. I don't know, just spitballing.

    Like I said...most of the bowlers in the league are more speed dominant and use far more symmetric balls, straighter balls. So getting that reaction to the lane...not as important. Just like my recent DOMINANCE in the 1st Annual etc...Invitational. I threw in a way...with the right equipment....that the lane oil conditions that stumped MWhite and ZDawg didn't affect me as much.

    As to him targeting 1 target...I don't know what thats all about quite frankly. I mean, it's pretty common knowledge in bowling that to get to the next level you need to be able to play 3 areas, 3 speeds, 3 balls, etc.. And I found that just moving laterally and never adjusting your target...that won't work. I get too far left and that ball goes straight into the gutter. A lot of times...when I make a move...I'm doing it to change my "angle" into the pocket...and I think that requires a target change along WITH a lateral movement.

    The other possibility is...some coaches are just trying to make low level bowlers a little better. And this guy, I think he looks at it like too much information is going to be detrimental. Better to just focus on some simple things...same target...spare shooting...striaght shoulders...etc... rather than take a lower level bowler and try to get them to grasp modern releases and dropping your shoulder, etc... And thats not too unheard of...Mike and others have mentioned to me that perhaps I should develop my game a bit before trying the DYDS things. And even Rob (the lover of modern releases) has stated that getting a newer bowler and trying to make them adopt a modern release isn't always the way he approaches it.

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