1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[vdubtx]

We should have everyone vote on it - especially now since we have 11 people there will be no ties. So my opinion is two choices:

1. -10 of the absent bowler's average or if bowling the blind then -10 of the bowler's own average
2. Draw - Bowler A vs Bowler B and Bowler C v Bowler A but bowler A is only eligible for 4 points total as is B and C. If someone chooses not to bowl (absentee) then another opponent (Bowler A in the example) is randomly drawn to bowl against.

I vote option one on the absentee topic. Is in line with how you would bowl against someone in a league and is the simplest to manage.

[Aslan]

Last Minute DETAILS STILL NEEDED:

Currently, based on the responses,
- I never received a USBC # for Stormed1. I will PM him.
- Mudpuppy, I need a home CITY for you. You listed your lanes, but I don't know your home city to base the location for the center selection process. I'll PM you.
- Bunny, also need a home city for you as well. I seem to remember "Orange, CA"? But I want to make sure I have your home city (see above) to base the center selection off of. I'll PM ya.

VACANT BOWLER/BYE: FINAL RULING
- Since we're starting with 12 (even though Stormed1 is likely to be vacant, we won't need the "Draw Rule" for BYEs in Month #1 (April.
- Vacant bowler…if a bowler signed up currently fails to bowl in April and submit their scores, with validation, to aslan_supreme@yahoo.com by midnight the last day of April (12:00AM, May 1st)….we will use their average + handicap - 10 pins.
- Since Stormed1 is the big question mark, and I don't have any data for him other than the average he claims…by rule he bowls scratch…thus anyone bowling him bowls against (171 + 0 - 10) per game which means 161+161+161=483.
- But remember, if you don't bowl, you don't accrue points…even when you win points against your opponent. So if I bowl a (109+49)+(135+49)+(184+49) = (158)+(184)+(238)=590 I would get 3 of the 4 points but Stormed1 would not get ANY points since he didn't bowl.

I'm hoping Stormed1 submits his USBC# and we can get him on board so nobody has to bowl against a vacant unless someone just can't get a game scheduled. That'll make things more fair since most of us can get at least 3 out of 4 points against a 171 scratch -10.

So I'll wait for the last few details (Stormed, Mudpuppy, and Bunny)…but will work on the pairings and averages tonight so all it is is a matter of drawing centers once I hear back from Mudpuppy and Bunny (and hopefully Stormed1).

[Mudpuppy]

Sending you my home city via PM. Where is Stormed1 from? What state? I missed the application to join. When was that? Should I add to the application list?

[Mike White]

Last Minute DETAILS STILL NEEDED:

Currently, based on the responses,
- I never received a USBC # for Stormed1. I will PM him.
- Mudpuppy, I need a home CITY for you. You listed your lanes, but I don't know your home city to base the location for the center selection process. I'll PM you.
- Bunny, also need a home city for you as well. I seem to remember "Orange, CA"? But I want to make sure I have your home city (see above) to base the center selection off of. I'll PM ya.

VACANT BOWLER/BYE: FINAL RULING
- Since we're starting with 12 (even though Stormed1 is likely to be vacant, we won't need the "Draw Rule" for BYEs in Month #1 (April.
- Vacant bowler…if a bowler signed up currently fails to bowl in April and submit their scores, with validation, to aslan_supreme@yahoo.com by midnight the last day of April (12:00AM, May 1st)….we will use their average + handicap - 10 pins.
- Since Stormed1 is the big question mark, and I don't have any data for him other than the average he claims…by rule he bowls scratch…thus anyone bowling him bowls against (171 + 0 - 10) per game which means 161+161+161=483.
- But remember, if you don't bowl, you don't accrue points…even when you win points against your opponent. So if I bowl a (109+49)+(135+49)+(184+49) = (158)+(184)+(238)=590 I would get 3 of the 4 points but Stormed1 would not get ANY points since he didn't bowl.

You still don't understand the average - 10 rule.

You have to bowl scratch, at or above your own average -10 pins if you face a vacant bowler.
Not your opponents average + handicap - 10.

And you don't understand how to calculate handicap yet either.

hdcp = max(int((220-avg)*0.9),0)

i.e. drop fractions

Aslan 	        151	62
Bunny	        145	67
classygranny	176	39
Janderson  	169	45
Mudpuppy  	192	25
Mwhite      	195	22
noeymc     	161	53
Stormed1   	171	44
tccstudent  	185	31
tr33frog     	213      6 
vdubtx       	215      4
zdawg       	141	71

It's going to be difficult to send in the results to aslan_supreme@yahoo.com, because anytime I put the words aslan, and supreme together in an address line, the message goes directly into the spam bin.

[Mike White]

Okay mike go back and look I made a new example, it shows averages, handicap, handicap scores.

It shouldn't scare any low average bowlers (a 126 ave came in 2nd place!)

That is closer, but still has a few errors in it.

When calculating handicap, you drop fractions, not round up.

A person with a 175 average would get 40 pins, not 41.

When normalizing, you divide by one less than the number of competitors.

In your example you are dividing by 8 instead of 7.

Dividing by 8 normalizes a perfect score of 28 to 3.5, it should be normalized to 4.0

With 12 people, a perfect score would be 44. 44 divided by 12 would give 3.67, while 44 divided by 11 would give 4.0

[Aslan]

I have no idea what Mike is talking about. I mean, I used the (220-avg)*.9 to get the handicap for each bowler. It may have rounded up or down a pin but I don't think that's a giant, monumental disaster of epic proportions.

And I don't have a problem with coming up with a different way of getting me verifications of the scores; I just figured e-mail would be easier than having people upload them into computers, put them on some file share site, then link to them and post it in a thread. But I'm open to any way that works.

I have not yet drawn physical pairings (CA only) nor virtual pairings. I'm more than halfway through the center mapping but need to quit for the night. I'll finish up the rest of them hopefully tomorrow night or by the latest Sunday. I'm hoping tomorrow though to give everyone a chance to bowl this weekend if they want.

- Aslan

[Mike White]

I have no idea what Mike is talking about. I mean, I used the (220-avg)*.9 to get the handicap for each bowler. It may have rounded up or down a pin but I don't think that's a giant, monumental disaster of epic proportions.

From the 2013-2014 USBC rule book.
USBC2013_14Rulebook.pdf

100g. Handicap
A handicap league is one in which handicap is added to a bowler’s score to place bowlers and teams with varying degrees of skill on as equitable a basis as possible for scheduled competition. USBC league rules shall apply to all USBC handicap leagues, in addition to the following:

6. When figuring handicap or averages, fractions are to be dropped. (Download a handicap chart on BOWL.com.)

[vdubtx]

I have no idea what Mike is talking about. I mean, I used the (220-avg)*.9 to get the handicap for each bowler. It may have rounded up or down a pin but I don't think that's a giant, monumental disaster of epic proportions.

From the 2013-2014 USBC rule book.
USBC2013_14Rulebook.pdf

100g. Handicap
A handicap league is one in which handicap is added to a bowler’s score to place bowlers and teams with varying degrees of skill on as equitable a basis as possible for scheduled competition. USBC league rules shall apply to all USBC handicap leagues, in addition to the following:

6. When figuring handicap or averages, fractions are to be dropped. (Download a handicap chart on BOWL.com.)

As Mike noted in the USBC rules, handicap is never rounded up.

[vdubtx]

Restaing the handicaps for you:

Representing Northeastern Orange County California:
- Aslan, 151 average +62, 213 handicap.

Representing North Central Orange County California:
- Bunny, 145 average +67, 212 handicap.

Representing the Grand Canyon State of Arizona:
- classygranny, 176 average, +39, 215 handicap.

Representing the Constitution State of Connecticut:
- Janderson, 169 average, +45, 214 handicap.

Representing the Great Lakes State of Michigan:
- Mudpuppy, 192 average, +25, 217 handicap.

Representing Riverside County California:
- MWhite, 195 average, +22, 217 handicap.

Representing the Buckeye State of Ohio:
- noeymc, 161 average, +53, 214 handicap.

Representing the Land of Lincoln; Illinois:
- Stormed1, 171 average, (currently 0 handicap unless USBC# is provided), 171 handicap.

Representing the Sooner State of Oklahoma:
- tccstudent, 185 average, +31, 216 handicap.

Representing the Sunflower State of Kansas:
- tr33frog, 213 average, +6, 219 handicap.

Representing the Lone Star State of Texas:
- vdubtx, 215 average, +4, 219 handicap.

Representing San Diego County California:
- Zdawg, 141 average, +71, 212 handicap.

[bowl1820]

That is closer, but still has a few errors in it.

When calculating handicap, you drop fractions, not round up.

A person with a 175 average would get 40 pins, not 41.

Yes, I know you drop the fraction and don't round. I didn't notice the spreadsheet had rounded it.

When normalizing, you divide by one less than the number of competitors.

In your example you are dividing by 8 instead of 7.

Dividing by 8 normalizes a perfect score of 28 to 3.5, it should be normalized to 4.0

With 12 people, a perfect score would be 44. 44 divided by 12 would give 3.67, while 44 divided by 11 would give 4.0

Yes thank you for pointing that out, I forgot. Though really the normalizing is a needless extra step.

I updated it