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[Aslan]

Deadline is here…noeymc?? tr33frog??? J-Dilly????

Okay, I have noeymc's scores but am waiting on him to tell me what center he actually bowled at and am verifying his assigned center had no open bowling yesterday at 7PM.

EDIT: No open bowling verified. They had a tournament last night.

tr33frog and J-Dilly did not turn in scores so each will receive 0 points or April and their opponents will bowl against those 2 players's averages (+ handicap -10 pins) per the rules.

[Aslan]

New averages, assignments, physical pairings, and virtual pairings will all be done today.

Right now all the standings are only one pair away from being current…just waiting on noeymc to provide me what center he bowled at…then I'll finish updating that and add the update for the 3 "wild card" categories of:

- most improved average
- highest pinfall
- most games over average

[Mike White]

That IS true. Physical pairing folks (Jeral, tcc, ME, YOU, and Bunny) are at a "slight" disadvantage the way the system is set up. To off set that, we are given one advantage the rest of the folks don't have…which is more "choice" in assigned centers. Granted, that advantage has been reduced by allowing people to give a list of 6 acceptable centers…but, we still have the advantage of being able to "choose" to bowl at one place or another…most people are stuck with what they're assigned.

So by us (me, you, Bunny) having 6 centers each…with only 3 overlapping…we actually have 15 centers to choose from when we're paired…most people only have 6. And important point…this isn't a rule aimed specifically at MWhite…it's a rule that myself and Bunny and tccstdent and Jeral all follow as well. I'd love for the tournament to be live as I've said before…but the physical pairing thing is sort of a remnant or byproduct of what the tournament was originally designed for and how it got twisted into this "virtual thing".

I swear you go out of your way to make up, or focus on the wrong thing.

Like I said above, if I get assigned Foothill, and you get assigned Arlington, and we are "physically paired", then I not only can't choose Foothill, I'm not free to schedule my day/time, since I have to bowl with you.

In my opinion, the ability to schedule the day/time is probably the most significant skill being tested.

It's not the bowling with you part that I think is unfair (although it's debatable), it's the scheduling.

I didn't see what centers are on Bunny's list, so I don't know if there will be any overlap there.

You have placed too much weight on the physically paired, such that it can override the random selection of the center.

Even if you happened to be randomly assigned Arlington during the same month as I am randomly assigned Arlington, we still shouldn't HAVE to bowl at the same time.

If necessary to solve the issue, remove Arlington from my list, and add Universal Strike.

My goal here is to independent of "pairing" just like a lone person from Alaska would be independent of "pairing".

It got "twisted" into a virtual thing so you could have more than 2 participants, (originally 3 but ZDawg is headed east)

Oh yes, if you think I'm afraid of bowling against you on wood lanes.
Schedule a re-match (to the Temecula thing) during May before the wood goes away so I can show you how to properly play wood (dry) lanes.

[Aslan]

If necessary to solve the issue, remove Arlington from my list, and add Universal Strike.

Alright. I won't even make Mud/noeymc/ZDawg approve the change. It's obvious you have no desire to be physically paired and it's obvious you don't want to face me in person. You can paint the duck whatever color you want to paint it….doesn't make it a Flamingo.

So, due to MWhite being scared of another embarrassing defeat at my hands…he has chosen to give up his home lane conditions in favor of the center "Universal Lanes". I will make the correction…and hopefully get the centers chosen soon.

[noeymc]

sent u the info broski

[classygranny]

Personally, I think we may have some mis-direction of focus here. Focus on some of the more important issues...

Lane assignments are critical! Some of us schedule our time way ahead - as we have a living to make. Getting lane assignments late in April was understandable due to the start, albeit they could have been a bit quicker. Here it is, already the 3rd and no assignments. I personally would rather have my alley assigned quickly. I really don't care who I am bowling against...doesn't change the way I bowl, or when. My when is very constricted due to work and family, and this month due to a much needed vacation.

Scores - not critical until the end of the bowling month. When I'm bowling, it's not going to matter much if I get a few more or less pins handicap. I bowl to the best of my ability no matter the circumstances.

Mike White wants to be treated equally...I don't blame him. So do I! Two lane assignments given early - what's fair about that to the rest of us?

[Aslan]

The other option that is being ignored….which is, instead of being "lenient" we simply invalidate the scores of those that did not follow the rules the way they were stated.

The executive committee, has over-ruled me and allowed people to bowl at places they weren't assigned and give extra time to people to finish bowling and allow new players to join late. That, unfortunately, delays things.

I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".

Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.

As to Mike's "issues"….that probably only a board certified medical psychiatrist can truly diagnose…he doesn't want "equality"…he wants to maximize his ability to win by using his more flexible schedule to bowl at a time when he can guarantee lane conditions that better suit his style. It's not a mystery…he's upset because he considers himself a PBA semi-pro…yet continues to get beaten by amateurs like me and ZDawg and Mudpuppy because he can't match his game and arsenal to non-ideal conditions…and that is frustrating him. So he WON'T play in Temecula…because of his opinion that those lanes are oiled oddly. He WON'T play on the weekend….because the lanes aren't "league quality" conditions. And he won't participate in physical pairing…because not only does he want to guarantee lane conditions…but doesn't want to have to face me in person and lose AGAIN!

So yes…I agree, month 1 was frustrating because the executive committee wanted to lean towards "maintaining participation" rather than "Law and Order". And they have succeeded thus far. We'll see if that is a continual "issue" or if things move more smoothly from here on out given the changes we've made. All I can say is…if you're upset because I'm dragging my feet…realize, I was the FIRST to bowl…and have spent countless hours of my time (and I DO have a job and a family believe it or not) "re-adjusting" averages, handicap, centers, center selection, etc… to keep this thing going in a positive direction…so…blame the people causing the delays…not the person who has already spent at LEAST 100 hours on this little "event".

[Mike White]

The other option that is being ignored….which is, instead of being "lenient" we simply invalidate the scores of those that did not follow the rules the way they were stated.

Would those be the rules you stated, and nobody had the opportunity to vote on?

The executive committee, has over-ruled me and allowed people to bowl at places they weren't assigned and give extra time to people to finish bowling and allow new players to join late. That, unfortunately, delays things.

Could it be that you were over-ruled because it became clear that your rules were unreasonable?

I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".

You have to keep going back, mainly because you didn't do them right the first time, nor the second, not even the third.

Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.

You could produce a schedule for every month for the whole summer right now. There is no need to wait for scores.

As to Mike's "issues"….that probably only a board certified medical psychiatrist can truly diagnose…he doesn't want "equality"…he wants to maximize his ability to win by using his more flexible schedule to bowl at a time when he can guarantee lane conditions that better suit his style. It's not a mystery…he's upset because he considers himself a PBA semi-pro…yet continues to get beaten by amateurs like me and ZDawg and Mudpuppy because he can't match his game and arsenal to non-ideal conditions…and that is frustrating him. So he WON'T play in Temecula…because of his opinion that those lanes are oiled oddly. He WON'T play on the weekend….because the lanes aren't "league quality" conditions. And he won't participate in physical pairing…because not only does he want to guarantee lane conditions…but doesn't want to have to face me in person and lose AGAIN!

I don't want to do the equivalent to "moonlight" bowling.

As I said before, schedule a re-match (of the Temecula thing) at Concourse for May.
You will be chewing on so much crow, you'll be farting feathers for a month.

You're obsession with having conditions that are unlike league bowling must come from your realization that you can't win under normal conditions.

So yes…I agree, month 1 was frustrating because the executive committee wanted to lean towards "maintaining participation" rather than "Law and Order". And they have succeeded thus far. We'll see if that is a continual "issue" or if things move more smoothly from here on out given the changes we've made. All I can say is…if you're upset because I'm dragging my feet…realize, I was the FIRST to bowl…and have spent countless hours of my time (and I DO have a job and a family believe it or not) "re-adjusting" averages, handicap, centers, center selection, etc… to keep this thing going in a positive direction…so…blame the people causing the delays…not the person who has already spent at LEAST 100 hours on this little "event".

Most of your 100+ hours were doing senseless things like 90 mile radius.
Or simply wrong things like not calculating handicaps and averages correctly.

I understand you're new to bowling, but never once take advantage of those here with years of experience.
Did you ask how something was properly done? No, you just invented a method you thought might work.

[Mike White]

Okay, I have noeymc's scores but am waiting on him to tell me what center he actually bowled at and am verifying his assigned center had no open bowling yesterday at 7PM.

EDIT: No open bowling verified. They had a tournament last night.

tr33frog and J-Dilly did not turn in scores so each will receive 0 points or April and their opponents will bowl against those 2 players's averages (+ handicap -10 pins) per the rules.

There you go, don't take any input from anyone. Just invent a rule,

People more experienced than yourself have stated you should have a person facing no actual opponent, be required to bowl a score no worse than 10 pins below their own average per game (30 below per series), to be awarded the points.

[classygranny]

I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".

Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.

I NEVER said your time is less meaningful because you apparently have no job nor family. I merely stated that I schedule my time very far in advance, and having more available time to schedule bowling would make things easier, nicer, more manageable.

It hasn't been just a 12-13 hour delay...it's been 3 days (or more) if you consider the fact that assignments can be made before the month even starts. You made two assignments, why not all?

It isn't that I am SO BUSY that I WOULD HAVE been able to participate yesterday…but not today, but without assignments soon, I may not be able to schedule anything for the month of May, as my window is getting smaller and smaller as the days go by.

If your opinion is that I am WAY too busy to participate in something like this, then perhaps you should use your "executive powers" to terminate my participation.

You could produce a schedule for every month for the whole summer right now. There is no need to wait for scores.