Don't wait. Just get in on the ground floor. Do it. We need representation from MO.Originally Posted by tr33frog
Well I'm on the KS side, lol.
STEP 1: Why not...
STEP 2: USBC ID number: Don't have one
STEP 3: I can send a copy anytime you want, avg last week was 212.
STEP 4: Olathe, KS Only lanes I've bowled at are College Lanes in Overland Park. I refuse to bowl at incredibowl, last two times I've bowled there I had to throw my ball half way down the lane to keep it from going into the gutter, no oil there at all.
And thats sort of what I'm worried about. I'm worried that people are waiting to sign up to see if other people from their areas join...not because it would ENCOURAGE them because they'd get to bowl with a fellow BBer and make friends...but they want to be the only bowler in their area so they can bowl alone and use the honor system....possibly dishonorably.
From the start...I've said the number one (with a bullet) problem with this idea is it encourages cheating. I'm not saying anybody would in particular...nor that having another person there would necessarilty stop it...I'm just saying if it was ME...I'd WANT to bowl with a fellow BBer:
1) You get to be friendly and meet new people, put a face with a username.
2) If anyone claims your scores are BS....you got a witness.
But thats just me.
Let me clarify since this seems to be an early sticking point (see responses below)
Valid reasons to ask for a re-draw of your designated center are "safety concerns" and excessive distance (> 90 miles). However...I will do my absolute best to work with people and try to get that designated center as close to you as possible to encourage your participation.
Examples of an invalid reasons. Unless there's a safety reason or distance reason. Just "not liking a center" isn't a valid reason.
Trust me...there are certain centers in California that I KNOW I will bowl poorly at...or that are annoying for a host of other reasons. MWhite probably will drop out if we draw Temecula Lanes. Both of the nearest AMF houses have conditions so slick I might as well just close my eyes and hope/pray. But just letting people bowl where their comfortable defeats the purpose of the tournament atmosphere. We want to imitate you having to go to a center you're not familiar with and adapting to it. Thats what happens in a tournament If everyone just bowls in their home center...we could just submit scoresheets from our leagues each week...saves a lot of hassle. But then it's not a "tour".
I am commited to doing my best to make sure you a draw a center that is safe and very close to where you live. In many cases it WILL be a place you've played before or even currently play in a league. But I can't guarantee it'll be a place you "like" or bowl well in. But lets try it out for a month and see how it goes? We'll iron out the kinks as we go along. There's an alley near LA that I swore I would never bowl at cuz it's one of those "fancy joints" with gourmet food and like 4 lanes. There's also an alley in a student commons building of a university. Those are not "ideal tour stops"...but hey, if it comes up and it's safe...I guess I gotta suck it up. Think of it as an adventure...a challenge...an opportunity.
Tour begins in less than a week! I'll probably put out the averages, handicap, pairings and locations a week from today; try to give everyone as much time as possible to figure out a date they want to do it (can be ANY day that month).
Sorry Frog - I assumed KC, MO - I didn't realize (or know) there was KC, KS as well. Never been to that area not familiar.
Updated list:
California
Aslan
Zdawg
Mike White
Michigan
Mudpuppy
Ohio
Noeymc
Connecticut
J Anderson
Texas
vdubtx
Oklahoma
tccstudent
Arizona
classygranny
Kansas
tr33frog
What method are you using to draw random alleys? Do you number them and then use random.org or something?
There aint that much different KC is just located right on the state line so it is actually in two states. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the state of Misery sometimes called Missouri
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So far, it looks like California is the only multi-person state. What I'd "like" to do since we only have 3...if nobody else joins to give us an even number....is try to get all 3 of us together rather than pair 2 and then have someone bowl solo. If we can't fit that in logistically, then so be it. But it WOULD be nice if all 3 of us could get together once a month to do it.
Since it's THREE of us...I'd only draw centers in a 90-mile radius of ALL THREE OF US...so that cuts down on the number of centers. What I'll probably do is something that looks like this (for odd numbers from states, 3, 5, etc...):
WEEK 1 PAIRINGS (this is not official, only a hypothetical test)
noeymc vs vdub
classygranny vs MWhite
JAnderson vs Mudpuppy
Aslan vs zdawg
tccstudent vs BLIND
For California Trio:
If zdawg joins Aslan/MWhite: Designated Center = Temecula Lanes, Temecula CA
OR
Aslan/MWhite: Designated Center = Temecula Lanes, Temecula CA
zDawg: Designated Center = Brusnwick Cal Oaks Bowl, Murrieta CA
So in the example above, Mike and I draw Temecula (which would make Mike mad). zDawg would be encouraged to join us there and make it a trio. But if he CAN'T...his designated center is Cal Oaks Bowl.
And, even though Mike and I are paired up physically to meet...my "virtial opponent" for the sake of points is zDawg where as Mike's virtual opponent is classygranny.
Lets look at a differnt example:
For California Trio:
If Aslan/MWhite join zDawg: Designated Center = Brunswick Cal Oaks Bowl, Murrieta CA
OR
Aslan/MWhite: Designated Center = Del Rosa Lanes, San Bernadino CA
zDawg: Designated Center = Brusnwick Cal Oaks Bowl, Murrieta CA
In this example, Mike and I draw a center that is outside of the 90-mile radius from zDawg so if all 3 of us meet, we would use zDawg's designated center. If that is the draw, and Mike objects to San Bernadino for safety concerns, and we re-draw "La Habra 300"...same thing would apply because La Habra is outside z-Dawg's 90-mile radius.
ALSO: IMPORTANT NOTE!!!
As you can see in the example above...IF we have an ODD number of bowlers (rather than just odd bowlers)...one person faces a "BLIND" opponent for the sake of getting their points. That "BLIND" bowler will be an average of every participant's averages and handicaps . So, lets say the average "average" is 165 and average is handicap is 50 pins...in the above example, tcc student will face 215 handicap each game. HOWEVER...so the bowler doesn't know the score they need to beat (that would be an unfair advantage)....it'll be based on the average of all other bowlers THAT MONTH....and average handicap THAT MONTH....so tccstudent won't know the score he needs to beat or the "average handicap" until everyone's scores are submitted. The person bowling against a "BLIND" is encouraged to bowl earlier in the month rather than wait until everyone reports their scores. NOT included in the calculation of "BLIND" are those participants that forfeited that month. So, example, if classygranny forfeits in April, MWhite automatically gets 4 points. However, the BLIND average doesn't use the 3 "zeroes" in it's calculation..only scores actually bowled that month.
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Exactly right.
I'll use the local USBC center list. If there isn't one (which would be rare), I'll use google or mapquest or something. I then figue out the 90-mile radius...number each center, then use a random number generator so if there's 10 centers...I use a random number generator setting it 1-10, press "enter", it spits out a number. Thats what I did when I set up the originally proposed California Tour.
Some areas it won't be an issue because there's only maybe 3 centers within 90 miles. And like I stated...if someone draws one that is 89 miles away, they certainly could ask for a re-draw based on excessive distance. Anything over 45 miles I'd certainly be willing to re-draw if it's a person bowling solo. For me, zDawg, and Mike...it's a little harder because the area between Anaheim, Riverside, and San Diego is kinda just mountains and desert. So to find a place within 45 miles of all three of us is more difficult. So when we had our Invitational Tournament...that center was about 55 miles from me, 53 miles from Mike, and about 58 miles away from zDawg. If it was just me versus Mike...there are probably 40 centers within 45 miles of us...but the vast majority are 100 or more miles away from zDawg since he's 1.5-2 hours south in San Diego.
1st off the rule about a warm up game is rather absurd.
Simply make it 1 game per person.
3 frames with 3 people is unfair when you consider 1 person alone is allowed a whole game.
Some bodies take a bit longer to loosen up.
As for eligible bowling centers, if a center doesn't have 6 leagues total, they aren't interested in attracting bowlers other than pure recreational. There is no reason to reward them with our business.
As for Radius, 45 miles one way is plenty. If that means we don't have overlap, then a person is on their honor to produce scores.
As for Blinds, having to beat their average minus 10 pins has worked for many years, no reason to complicate it.
As for "encouraged to bowl early" might be your intent, the rules as stated discourage a bowler from bowling early so they can gauge what kind of scores are needed.
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