1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[Aslan]

1st off the rule about a warm up game is rather absurd.

Simply make it 1 game per person.

3 frames with 3 people is unfair when you consider 1 person alone is allowed a whole game.

Some bodies take a bit longer to loosen up.

I have no problem with that unless there are any objections. The reason I wanted to limit it to 1 practice game per PAIR is I don't want people bowling 8 games and claiming the 1st 5 were "practice". If you make it 5 frames per pair, then it's harder to fiddle with the numbers.

As for eligible bowling centers, if a center doesn't have 6 leagues total, they aren't interested in attracting bowlers other than pure recreational. There is no reason to reward them with our business.

Understood. But if it's a USBC center, I'll use them as the authority on it. Granted the USBC has lost most of it's authority as the sport has declined, but there has to be an unbiased standard and a center listed by the USBC seems like a fair standard, regardless of whether they have 2 leagues a night or 1 league a night.

As for Radius, 45 miles one way is plenty. If that means we don't have overlap, then a person is on their honor to produce scores.

It likely won't be an issue for anywhere except California because none of the other states have multiple bowlers. I still contend there's an advantage to meeting up with other BB members that is worth the extra 10-20 minutes.

As for Blinds, having to beat their average minus 10 pins has worked for many years, no reason to complicate it.

In this case there is no "they"...it's an open spot. Hopefully we'll have an even number of participants and it won't matter....but one person bowls an open spot...so they would simply bowl the averages of the other bowlers that week. Now if you mean in the case a person doesn't show up and forfeits...then actually I agree...we should make them bowl against that persons average/handicap -10...unless anyone has an objection?

As for "encouraged to bowl early" might be your intent, the rules as stated discourage a bowler from bowling early so they can gauge what kind of scores are needed.

That was my attempt at appealing to people's good nature. If said appeal doesn't work, I can always change the posting of scores to be a private PM only so the bowler bowling a BLIND won't know. But again, it only comes to that if we have an odd number of participants.

[Mike White]

In this case there is no "they"...it's an open spot. Hopefully we'll have an even number of participants and it won't matter....but one person bowls an open spot...so they would simply bowl the averages of the other bowlers that week. Now if you mean in the case a person doesn't show up and forfeits...then actually I agree...we should make them bowl against that persons average/handicap -10...unless anyone has an objection?

You should treat a bye like an opponent that couldn't bowl that month.

The person bowling would need to beat their own average - 11 pins to be awarded a game point, and -31 for a series point.

The idea is if you average 170, and have either a bye, or an absent opponent, then you must shoot 160 scratch or above to earn a game point, and 480 scratch or above to be awarded a series point.


Saying they have to beat their average -10 is not exactly correct.

But it's the wording that is used frequently.

[vdubtx]

You should treat a bye like an opponent that couldn't bowl that month.

The person bowling would need to beat their own average - 11 pins to be awarded a game point, and -31 for a series point.

The idea is if you average 170, and have either a bye, or an absent opponent, then you must shoot 160 scratch or above to earn a game point, and 480 scratch or above to be awarded a series point.


Saying they have to beat their average -10 is not exactly correct.

But it's the wording that is used frequently.

Agree with Mike on this. In leagues that I have been in, you still have to shoot a certain number of pins to win the points if bowling a bye team.

[noeymc]

agree with mwhite on the byes fair enough

[Mike White]

Understood. But if it's a USBC center, I'll use them as the authority on it. Granted the USBC has lost most of it's authority as the sport has declined, but there has to be an unbiased standard and a center listed by the USBC seems like a fair standard, regardless of whether they have 2 leagues a night or 1 league a night.

Ok so it's luck of the draw if we happen to be assigned to a bar with a couple of lanes attached, and our opponent is assigned to a center that is well maintained.

It likely won't be an issue for anywhere except California because none of the other states have multiple bowlers. I still contend there's an advantage to meeting up with other BB members that is worth the extra 10-20 minutes.

You're thinking way too short sighted. An issue is an issue regardless of how many people it effects right now.

You claim there is an advantage to meeting up, but you don't state what that advantage might be, so we can't weigh if it's really worth the extra 10-20 minutes.
I'm not clear how a 90 mile radius is only 10-20 minutes longer than a 45 mile radius.

ZDawg's lanes should be selected for him independent of my location, just as someone in Wisconsin lane selection is independent of the location of someone else in Florida.

My issue is, there are plenty of lanes to my west, and north, but the only lanes that might overlap with ZDawg are going to be those few to my south.

[J Anderson]

Ok so it's luck of the draw if we happen to be assigned to a bar with a couple of lanes attached, and our opponent is assigned to a center that is well maintained.



You're thinking way too short sighted. An issue is an issue regardless of how many people it effects right now.

You claim there is an advantage to meeting up, but you don't state what that advantage might be, so we can't weigh if it's really worth the extra 10-20 minutes.
I'm not clear how a 90 mile radius is only 10-20 minutes longer than a 45 mile radius.

ZDawg's lanes should be selected for him independent of my location, just as someone in Wisconsin lane selection is independent of the location of someone else in Florida.

My issue is, there are plenty of lanes to my west, and north, but the only lanes that might overlap with ZDawg are going to be those few to my south.

I wish there were someone else from CT or NY entered so I could be arguing about how unfair the the proposed competition site is.

[tccstudent]

You claim there is an advantage to meeting up, but you don't state what that advantage might be, so we can't weigh if it's really worth the extra 10-20 minutes.
I'm not clear how a 90 mile radius is only 10-20 minutes longer than a 45 mile radius..

This all depends on how fast you drive. By Aslan stating that he can drive 45 miles in 10 to 20 minutes we can assume that he may have very few points left on his license

[Mike White]

I wish there were someone else from CT or NY entered so I could be arguing about how unfair the the proposed competition site is.

It's not about "fair" it's just that I can sense Aslan going out of his way to send me back to Temecula.

[Aslan]

Agree with Mike on this. In leagues that I have been in, you still have to shoot a certain number of pins to win the points if bowling a bye team.

agree with mwhite on the byes fair enough

Correct. In this tour, you must outbowl the average of all bowlers that week. And it only matters if we have an open spot (odd number of teams).

Ok so it's luck of the draw if we happen to be assigned to a bar with a couple of lanes attached, and our opponent is assigned to a center that is well maintained.

And vice versa.

P.S....as I stated like 2-3 times...it has to be a USBC sanctioned center. So no, 2 lanes in a guy's backyard wouldn't be viable. If your beef is with the USBC sanctioning 2 lanes in a bar, go to Bowl.com and write them a stern letter. And add at the bottom that if AMF/Bowlmor is going to continue to not respond to emails sent through their stupid coporate site...all AMF houses should lose USBC sanctioning. As if Bowlmor wasn't annoying enough, they've now ruined AMF in the process. <---mini rant.

You claim there is an advantage to meeting up, but you don't state what that advantage might be, so we can't weigh if it's really worth the extra 10-20 minutes.
I'm not clear how a 90 mile radius is only 10-20 minutes longer than a 45 mile radius.

ZDawg's lanes should be selected for him independent of my location, just as someone in Wisconsin lane selection is independent of the location of someone else in Florida.

My issue is, there are plenty of lanes to my west, and north, but the only lanes that might overlap with ZDawg are going to be those few to my south.

1) The advantage is friendship and comrodory. Even though we have to put up with you whining like a little girl...zdawg and I still enjoy your company and occasional bouts of wisdom.
2) Even though everyone wants to whine about what center they have to drive to (before any have even been drawn); I will state for like the 5th time...if excessive distance is a problem...with the center you are eventually drawn...that is a VIABLE REASON to ask for a re-draw.

3) I am only pairing up ONE pair for California. The 3rd person will have the OPTION of joining the pair or bowling solo at the location designated. In the example, if you and I are paired and selected to bowl in La Habra...that is where we bowl...UNLESS...we want to join zDawg in Murrieta. If you and I draw Temecula, and zDawg draws Murrieta....he "can" bowl in Murrieta...or maybe he wants to join us in Temecula....or maybe you whine so much about the Temecula draw that we agree to join him in Murrieta. OR...maybe ZDawg draws an alley in San Diego and we draw Arlington. ZDawg would have the OPTION of joining us...but we're obviously not going all the way to San Diego to join him.

Actually, having more than two people in a state gives us a "slight" advantage because if we all choose to bowl together, we have a choice of 2 lanes. Most people don't get a choice (unless there's a valid problem with the one chosen for them).

And no...I DON'T want to draw Temecula...because I'm trying to beat you on a lane that you won't have some nonsense excuse about...although I'm pretty sure you'll come up with one regardless. But thus far, drawing AMF Riverside, Temecula Lanes, or Concourse will give you an automatic excuse...so I'm crossing my fingers that the number generator doesn't pick those. At this point, I'd rather it pick Arlington...because you'd be hard pressed to find an excuse of how I beat you in your own house...you'll probably blame an injury or the 10-pin home house penalty. ; /

[noeymc]

why not beat your self why use everyones avgs and add it together if we got two people 150-160 and 2 at 180 220 the 180 and 220 bowler should be ok but the 150 160 might lose so do it beat your self exp:

200 avg bowler must bowl a 190 or better to get the point and must shoot a 570 or better to win series just like every league in the world does

but change series to like 580 or 590