1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[Mudpuppy]

I am going to start an information thread and this (moderator?) can become the "discussion" thread. Too much clutter you are going to confuse people. Also need a sign up thread.

[Aslan]

Aslan lacks experience, so he feels he needs to re-invent the wheel in every situation.

The more complex the "solution" the harder it is to identify how it may be unfair.

Down the road, it may be clear, but by then, it's too late to fix it properly.

Mikes just mad because last night in his league he shot a 135. Most likely because his house decided to randomly oil a reverse block. I hope every house in Orange and Riverside Counties doesn't decide to oil reverse block patterns....otherwise I'll never hear the end of it.

And I'm not "re-inventing" anything. I'm just trying to make it as fair as possible for everyone. Bowlers are about the most stubborn athletes on the planet. Last week the league secretary almost got booed off the stage for suggesting if a team has a vacant bowler, the vacant bowler would bowl the lowest score on the opposing team for that night minus 10. She had a REASON for proposing it...because teams weren't doing their part to fill their rosters...and were having ghost bowlers with decent averages and handicaps beating people. But she had to talk over immense booing for like 10 minutes before the league kinda stopped and went, "wait...whats the rule change? Oh....that sounds reasonable....okay."

So while I'm not "re-inventing the sport"....just keep an open mind. We're trying something that has not really been tried...and there are GOING TO BE KINKS as we move forward. But if we can just all kinda "chill"...this might turn out to be something really fun. Lets try it this way....if ya hate it...we'll change it for next season. I just don't want a person bowling against BLIND to whine like a little girly girl when they bowl well enough to beat any other player but since they had to play themselves that week lost 3 out of 4 points....and that CAN happen.

AND...if we DO find this to be fun...and want to do it again next year...I'll probably propose to hand off the torch to Mudpuppy for next season...to keep it from becoming "Aslan's Virtual Tour" and make it "BowlingBoard.com Virtual Tour". And then Mudpuppy can add his own "splash of genius" to the event.

2-3 more days!! Thursday night I'll get everything together, draw centers, draw pairings, and we'll see where we're at. Hopefully by this weekend...people can start scheduling in bowling if they wish.

QUESTION: Should we post the scores HERE....or should they be sent to me via email and then once they're all in; disclosed. My "worry" is that if we post them on HERE...whoever bowls 2nd will have a slight advantage knowing what the other person bowled. If we have them e-mailed to me instead....I could try and bowl earlier in the month...and then nobody will know the scores of the person paired against them. Is everyone on board with that??

My e-mail: aslan_supreme@yahoo.com

[Mike White]

The old bait and switch. I think consensus is -10 and call it good.

Using Aslan's example where all the games one month average 180.

(220 - 180) * 0.9 = 36, 180 + 36 = 216.

For someone with a 215 average facing a bye or absent competitor.

(220 - 215) * 0.9 = 4, 216 - 4 = 212.

215 bowler needs to match or beat a score 3 pins under their average to be awarded a point.

For someone with a 140 average facing a bye or absent competitor under the same conditions.

(220 - 140) * 0.9 = 72, 216 - 72 = 144.

140 bowler needs to match or beat a score 4 pins above their average to be awarded a point.

The rule doesn't seem fair to the 140 bowler.

[Aslan]

I am going to start an information thread and this (moderator?) can become the "discussion" thread. Too much clutter you are going to confuse people. Also need a sign up thread.

You go girl! You can be my secretary. Like Maggie Ghylenhall in that weird movie where her boss kept spanking her.

[Aslan]

140 bowler needs to match or beat a score 4 pins above their average to be awarded a point.

The rule doesn't seem fair to the 140 bowler.

Oh...and now you care about the 140 bowler?? Hey...I was just trying not to heap on the better bowlers who were already giving up handicap...but if you and VDub don't want the help...then fine....we'll do it your way. But I want Bowl1820 to come in here and promise that if ONE PERSON whines when they outscore every single bowler by 30 pins and still lose 3 of 4...that he changes their avatar to something very unflattering and leaves it locked that way the entire year. Because I KNOW thats going to happen....I just KNOW it.

And it doesn't matter...we have an even number right now so you're doing math for math's sake at this point.

[classygranny]

If you are using USBC centers, then wouldn't it be reasonable to use the USBC ruling for byes/uncontested team scoring. I'm sure Bowl1820 has that rule on hand and can post it for us. I'm not in a position to look for it at this time.

While you say you have an even amount of people/teams, you still need the ruling to cover those times when a person doesn't bowl. Most times if a team doesn't show, the team bowling still has to bowl within the 10 pins per bowler in order to take the points. Same thing should apply on this virtual tour.

Of course, this is my humble opinion, such as it is.

[vdubtx]

Here is USBC Rule #104d

104d. Uneven Number
When a league has an uneven number of teams, the team scheduled against the nonexistent team
cannot be credited with the points by forfeit. The Earn the Points system is used unless the league
board of directors, by majority vote, decides to use the Bye or Draw System. The following procedures
apply for each system:
1. Earn the Points:
a. An individual must bowl at least his/her average less ten (10) pins and/or teams must bowl
at least the team average less ten (10) pins per player, unless the league board states another
number.
b. Points not won by the team for failing to bowl the prescribed score should be recorded on the
standing sheet as “unearned” points.
2. Draw System:
a. Teams bowling the vacant team will draw a team or be scheduled against another
team from the league to earn points.
b. The scores bowled will be used as if bowling in direct competition with the
drawn/scheduled team.
3. Bye System:
a. Team scheduled against the vacant team does not bowl.
b. Position standings shall be determined on a percentage basis.
In all cases, the games bowled by the team that withdrew or was dismissed must stand.

[bowl1820]

If you are using USBC centers, then wouldn't it be reasonable to use the USBC ruling for byes/uncontested team scoring. I'm sure Bowl1820 has that rule on hand and can post it for us. I'm not in a position to look for it at this time.

While you say you have an even amount of people/teams, you still need the ruling to cover those times when a person doesn't bowl. Most times if a team doesn't show, the team bowling still has to bowl within the 10 pins per bowler in order to take the points. Same thing should apply on this virtual tour.

Of course, this is my humble opinion, such as it is.

classygranny the bowl within 10 pins of your average would be the standard way of doing it. (10 for game/ 30 for series)

In this situation IMO I would use a "Draw System" instead.

The person bowling the bye/vacant position would be randomly paired with one of the other bowlers in the tournament.

And their scores used to determine the points won.

Example:

"Bowler A" & "Bowler B" bowl against each other.

"Bowler C" is randomly paired with say "Bowler A"

"Bowler A" bowled 170-230-209-609 vs "Bowler B" bowled 191-188-205-584
"Bowler A" wins 3 points (two games and series)
"Bowler B" wins 1 point (one game)


"Bowler C" bowled 213-218-194-625 against "Bowler A's" scores.
So "Bowler C" wins 2 points (one game and series)

[bowl1820]

Note:

Given if

RULES:
- USBC rules apply.

Then this should be changed:

OTHER IMPORTANT RULES/NOTES:
- IF you don't play one month, you forfeit all 4 points to the chosen opponent.

The chosen opponent can't win points by forfeiture.

[Mudpuppy]

classygranny the bowl within 10 pins of your average would be the standard way of doing it. (10 for game/ 30 for series)

In this situation IMO I would use a "Draw System" instead.

The person bowling the bye/vacant position would be randomly paired with one of the other bowlers in the tournament.

And their scores used to determine the points won.

Example:

"Bowler A" & "Bowler B" bowl against each other.

"Bowler C" is randomly paired with say "Bowler A"

"Bowler A" bowled 170-230-209-609 vs "Bowler B" bowled 191-188-205-584
"Bowler A" wins 3 points (two games and series)
"Bowler B" wins 1 point (one game)


"Bowler C" bowled 213-218-194-625 against "Bowler A's" scores.
So "Bowler C" wins 2 points (one game and series)

Exactly what I was saying yesterday