Not sure what you were rambling aboutOriginally Posted by noeymc
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Bowling against a bye team is typically based on your own average, not averages of anyone else. You typically have to bowl within 10-20 pins of average depending on whatever rules the league adopt.
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2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
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Right aslan wants to take everyone's avg and you have to beat that.Not sure what you were rambling about
Bowling against a bye team is typically based on your own average, not averages of anyone else. You typically have to bowl within 10-20 pins of average depending on whatever rules the league adopt.
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Aslan I emailed you my second league sheet today - not sure if you know but you can hit reply and confirm you got it or post on here that you got it.
On the weeks that you bowl against a blind - I was waiting for this to happen - it should be -10. The other way of combining averages, etc. doesn't make any sense - why is it that everyone bowls against 1 person but then the odd man (or girl) out has to defeat EVERYONE? That's taking it to the opposite extreme. -10 and call it good. The draw is random so if there is an advantage to bowling the blind it will be random luck then. Or another idea is to have the person that bowls the blind - instead of a blind have them bowl against another opponent who is already bowling against someone else but as a 1 way competition. i.e.
Mudpuppy v Aslan
That is an example 1st week pairing.
Zdawg v Blind
So Zdawg is randomly paired up against Aslan.
So Mudpuppy's scores are against Aslan's scores and a winner of each game and series is determined.
Zdawg is bowling against Aslan's scores but Aslan is only bowling v Mudpuppy's scores.
Understand?
I got it. I think. I'm not going to mess with it till Thursday night.
It won't matter since we'll likely have an even number of teams...but the thought process behind it is the persons ISN'T bowling against EVERYBODY. It's not cumulative pinfall. It's against the overall average of every bowler. The reasoning is, if you just bowl against yourself...higher average bowlers get penalized while lower average bowlers get a huge advantage. Example; Lets say VDub is bowling against the BLIND spot and his average is 210. The average of ALL bowlers that week (including VDub's scores) were 180 (+ average handicap of 18 pins). If Vdub bowls a 180-191-215 = 591. Using his average minus 10 he gets 1 of the 4 points. Meanwhile, lets say ZDawg has an average of 140 and is playing MWhite who has an average of 191. ZDawg scores 140-138-129 = 407; 198-206-187 = 591. If MWhite bowls a 129-179-199 = 507. So ZDawg gets the same score as VDub (591 handicap)...yet takes 3 out of 4 points....even though ZDawg didn't bowl particularly well nor did VDub bowl particularly bad.
But like I said, it won't matter that much since we are likely to have an even number of teams and if we don't, given the short season, people will only bowl against the BLIND at MOST once.
The draw will be random, however you won't have to bowl the same person (or BLIND spot) twice. I figure thats more fair than drawing the same person 3 times.
Like I said, it's a "composite average" of all bowlers that week. I feel thats more fair to the higher average guys than making them bowl against themselves. The 199+ average bowlers are already getting penalized by the handicap; no reason to punish them twice. Thats my thought process anyway.
ETA: Yes, I accidentally calculated the average/handicap wrong in the above example. It should have been (220-210) * .9 = 9 handicap for VDub. I calculated it (.9 * 220) = 198 so VDub got 0 handicap. I'll get it right come tourney time.
Last edited by Aslan; 04-08-2014 at 12:24 PM.
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Just so everyone is clear on how I'm going to get your averages:
1) I will use your USBC ID# and look up your MOST RECENT LEAGUE AVERAGE. If you have multiple leagues listed for the same time period, I will use a composite of however many averages there are.
NOTE: IF YOU BOWL IN A SPORT LEAGUE....PLEASE let me know so I can adjust your average accordingly using the USBC chart.
2) If I check and your data on the USBC (Bowl.com) is not there, I will use a scoresheet from the week of 3/31-4/6 (most recent week preceeding). If you bowl in more than one league, you're on the honor system about sending all of the scoresheets to me so I can do a composite...but as long as I have ONE, we can at least get started.
NOTE: AGAIN, if one of the leagues is a SPORT LEAGUE....let me know so I can properly adjust the average.
This is important because, take ME for example...I just checked Bowl.com and my average from last season isn't uploaded yet. So, since it's not there....I'd go with last weeks scoresheet. Now, for me, thats not AS big of a deal since the league that started last week uses carryover averages...but some leagues DO NOT. Had this league decided to re-establish in week 1...I'd have a 148 average rather than a 165-166 (because I didn't bowl very well last week; week 1).
It's up to everyone to KNOW the above items and make sure they have an average listed on Bowl.com...because if they don't, they need to get me last week's scoresheet(s). I know everyone is chomping at the bit to get started so I don't want a ton of delay waiting for this person or that person to verify averages.
ALSO...the plan was; Lets say my average is 151. THAT is your average for the first month and what your starting handicap is based on. However, after month #1 (first round); your average going into May would be calculated (assuming in this example I bowl a 148-148-147 in month 1) = [151+151+151+148+148+147]/6 = 149. I'm not sure if thats how carryover is usually done so give me input if you have an issue with establishing your TOUR AVERAGE using your starting average and then adjusting it based on how you play as we go along (but always counting that starting average in the calculation). So going into June; assuming I bowl 3 160s in May, it would be [151+151+151+148+148+147+160+160+160]/9 = 153. The thought process is that by always counting that starting average in the calculation, even though it's effect lessons over time, it keeps the bowler somewhat grounded in case in the first couple weeks they have really weird outings (good or bad).
Over complicating things is all it does. Use the typical rule of -10 for a bowler against a bye and leave it at that.
High Sanctioned Scratch Game - 300(12) Hi Sanctioned Scratch Series - 822(3)
2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
Equipment in the bag - Storm Crux Prime, Storm Physix, Roto Grip Idol, Roto Grip Idol Pearl, Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, Storm Sure Lock, Storm Drive, Roto Grip Winner Solid, Roto Grip Haywire, Storm Fever Pitch, Roto Grip Red ball spare.
Rev Rate 400. Speed 18 at heads, 16.5-17 at pins. Axis tilt 10, Axis Rotation 55. PAP 5 5/8 x 5/8 up
You have to realize, every rule, no matter how complicated, is designed to ensure MWhite can't have an excuse for losing.Over complicating things is all it does. Use the typical rule of -10 for a bowler against a bye and leave it at that.
When you look up mine this seasons are not yet showing up but for last years it should be obvious which league was a sport shot since the name of the league was PBA Experience so you should probably just take the other one. If you want to use this years average two of my three leagues update online one to bowl.com league standing and the league # is 19190 the other can be found on league secretary.com broken arrow lanes broken arrow OK league name Ultimate league http://www.leaguesecretary.com/bowli...standings.aspx
as far as the running total use the posted average to figure the handicap for the first month then after that only use the scores from the virtual tour.
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Final Book Averages for Fall:192 Current averages in Summer: PBA 182, Tuesday 202, Thursday 205
Aslan lacks experience, so he feels he needs to re-invent the wheel in every situation.Not sure what you were rambling about
Bowling against a bye team is typically based on your own average, not averages of anyone else. You typically have to bowl within 10-20 pins of average depending on whatever rules the league adopt.
The more complex the "solution" the harder it is to identify how it may be unfair.
Down the road, it may be clear, but by then, it's too late to fix it properly.
The old bait and switch. I think consensus is -10 and call it good.
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