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[Aslan]

Okay, classygranny is correct and Bowl1820 has provided the rule. So that leaves us with 2 options:

1) Bowl against your average minus 10 pins. No whining if you bowl better than the rest of the league and still lose.
2) Use the "draw" system so essentially there'd be 2 teams bowling against 1 team's scores that month. Note, the "1 team" can't get a possible 8 points, only 4.

Even though I think my original system was more fair....so it's less based on "luck of the draw"....I will almost always defer to the USBC rules if said rule exists. My vote given the choices above is the Draw system.

[Mudpuppy]

I agree - draw system

[classygranny]

I'll agree with draw. Just want something in place that everyone is aware of before commencement.

What about the issue if a person that doesn't bowl one month?

[vdubtx]

Note:

Given if


Then this should be changed:


The chosen opponent can't win points by forfeiture.

If someone does not bowl a given month, then the "blind" score for said person should be used. Shouldn't automatically give 4 points to the opponent. In leagues if you bowl and the opposing team does not show up or has not made arrangements for Pre or Post bowl, you still have to bowl with the mind set of beating the other team/bowler using their blind scores.

[Aslan]

I'll agree with draw. Just want something in place that everyone is aware of before commencement.

What about the issue if a person that doesn't bowl one month?

Originally, the thought was to have the person bowling against them have to beat their average minus 10 pins, similar to a vacant bowler in league situations. Unless anyone has any big objection to that.

The reason I was going to use the average for a person not showing up versus "BLIND" for a person bowling against an empty spot was that when you're bowling against a person and they don't show...you have their average to bowl against. But when you're bowling against an open spot...that spot doesn't have an average...so I figured that spot could just be the average of everyone that month. But it looks like we'll do the draw method instead in that case.

But yeah, if the other person doesn't bowl that you are matched up against, you bowl against their average minus 10 pins.

[Mudpuppy]

Once you announce the pairings and the lanes we are supposed to bowl at what is the deadline to get your 3 games in? Midnight April 30, 2014?

[Aslan]

Once you announce the pairings and the lanes we are supposed to bowl at what is the deadline to get your 3 games in? Midnight April 30, 2014?

Yes sir. End of the month. Then it's time Round II in May.

P.S. Yes, if there's some emergency reason why you can't get the scores in I won't forfeit you. But please try to keep the deadline in mind so it doesn't hold everyone else up.

[Mudpuppy]

Now if both people that are opponents that bowl each other turn in their scores will you release the results?

[bowl1820]

Originally, the thought was to have the person bowling against them have to beat their average minus 10 pins, similar to a vacant bowler in league situations. Unless anyone has any big objection to that.

I think some confusion here on the use of terms.

A vacancy/vacant score is a set score (EX: 140) with the handicap figured from that score. That is used if you don't have a bowler and vacancy doesn't use the -10 pins.

The reason I was going to use the average for a person not showing up versus "BLIND" for a person bowling against an empty spot was that when you're bowling against a person and they don't show...you have their average to bowl against.

A Absentee/Blind score is the absent member’s current average minus 10 pins, unless the rules specify a different number.

A empty spot would be a vacancy.

But when you're bowling against an open spot...that spot doesn't have an average...

Now here you could set and use a Vacancy score for the open spot. (Though you would have to determine what a fair vacancy score is or use the USBC vacancy score of 120.

or
Have the bowler bowl within 10 pins of their average to earn points.
(While it's not a automatic win, most times & most bowlers will be able to win all points doing this. Plus it could encourage a little sandbagging, once someone got with in 10 pins they could layoff some to keep tournament average down.)

or
Use the Draw system
(IMO the draw system here would be more fun and challenging, because you are bowling against real persons scores.)

so I figured that spot could just be the average of everyone that month.

In essence that would be a vacancy score that could vary month by month. While you could do that, I can see some fairness issues arise.

Do to one bowler getting to bowl against a lower score one month and another bowler having to bowl against a higher one the next.

Also it makes for more work having to recalculate that average/score every month. A set vacancy score would be easier.

But it looks like we'll do the draw method instead in that case.

But yeah, if the other person doesn't bowl that you are matched up against, you bowl against their average minus 10 pins.

That's fair for a absentee bowler, it's like whats used in most leagues.

[Mike White]

There is a fairly straight forward system that both eliminates the "luck of the draw", and handles any number of competitors.

Each month your scores are compared to every other competitor.

If for example there are 10 competitors, each person would face 9 other people.

For each player, there are 9 possible points to be won or lost per game.

To normalize the months results, each player for that month would have the points won divided by 9.

This would provide a maximum # of points in a month of 4.

If during the next month there were 12 competitors, each player would have 11 opponents, and 11 points per game possible. Again divide by 11 to normalize the month's points for a maximum possible 4 points.

This completely removes luck of the draw as for opponents, and eliminates the problem of byes and absent opponents.