Parkway in Trenton is now 10 Pins of Trenton. Looks like it isn't a USBC alley. I can still bowl there or one of the others that were originally picked. Just want to make sure before I bowl. Also we have to bowl by April 30?
Unfortunately, you will need to remove Bell Lanes & Lakeview Lanes. Direct from the website of Bell Lanes:Originally Posted by Aslan
"•RCSC cardholders and their guests may participate in open play and league play at both Bell Lanes and Lakeview Lanes.
•Non-RCSC cardholders can bowl in leagues as long as league rules allow it."
I don't know anyone currently living in Sun City that is a RCSC cardholder and bowler. I may know one if they hold a RCSC card, but they have returned to their summer home already. Oh, RCSC=Recreation Centers of Sun City.
Oh, and thanks for being understanding on the hours. Some of our AMFs are normal, others are extreme - catering to lots of "cosmic" bowling.
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Parkway in Trenton is now 10 Pins of Trenton. Looks like it isn't a USBC alley. I can still bowl there or one of the others that were originally picked. Just want to make sure before I bowl. Also we have to bowl by April 30?
So many issues are going to come up about various centers since the info on USBC site is/has been out dated.
Will be less time involved on your part Aslan if you just let the participants pick their own centers.
You are making this too difficult, and I can say for certainty that if you draw me for a Ft. Worth or Mid-Cities(Arlington, Grand Prairie, Hurst etc) center I will not be driving to those centers.
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Aslan, maybe you could send the compiled lists to each of us and let us mark the ones we accept, rather than having so many redraws. It eliminates having to wait one more day for a bowling assignment. If we agree for it to be on the list, there should be very few redraws.
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Not a problem. Your re-draw is Brunswick Kyrene Lanes, Chandler. The hours look good and it's less than 19 miles.
It's up to you. If you feel that it's no longer an adequate center and is no longer something that would meet USBC standards, I can re-draw. Lord knows there are plenty of options (nearly 150) in your area. Otherwise, have at it!
Yes, by April 30th.
Yes; annoying. But manageable.
Yes. Less time. But actually pointless since they'll pick the centers they are used to. It would be less work to just draw names out of hat and declare them winner…but I wouldn't think that would be a good idea.
At this point, what will be helpful is if people actually get out there and bowl. I think once we actually start this ball rolling down the hill; it'll gain acceptance and momentum and people will see it's really not that bad and is kinda fun. We're spending far too much time in the thread debating about 0.6 pins handicap or where to bowl/not to bowl when what we really should be doing is BOWLING.
Lets get out there and do this thing and see how month #1 goes before killing it.
The draw process is actually quite simple. There is a list of centers within 90 miles…each is assigned a number…the computer randomly selects the number. For sake of time and convenience, I automatically re-draw centers over 45 miles away (unless it's a potential zdawg meet-up site). I also review the selection (briefly) to ensure its a center that is accessible. For example, I've drawn centers on Indian reservations and centers inside corporate headquarters…not accessible to the public…so they got automatically removed from the list. If it's in an inner city area, I'll sometimes do a quick "safety check" using published FBI crime data to re-draw if there's a safety issue. I failed to do that for KC Bowl thinking KC, Missouri was the issue not KC Kansas…but I was mistaken…no bigee. With Mudpuppy's draw in Jackson, knowing that state well, I knew that was a potential safety issue.
So, as to your case, your original draw was Main Event Frisco but after checking the website found out the "Main Event" centers aren't really good for our kind of bowling. It's a place where they turn the lights out every other hour to add "excitement". So then I drew USA bowl which seems to be a legitimate center and within decent driving distance.
It's not a big deal (time) for me to manage the thing and get it off the ground. It's going to be more challenging early on as we iron out some wrinkles…but at this point we just need people to go out, bowl, and get their scores in. Obviously I want to make it as accessible as possible…I don't want to discourage anyone from participating, etc… But at some point we have to draw a line and say, "Okay…enough talky talky…go BOWL…if any issues arise we'll deal with them as we go along.
Yes. Less time. But actually pointless since they'll pick the centers they are used to.
Who cares if they do. That's what the -10 pins is for.
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Well, the 10 pins may not be enough. There were actually multiple reasons to do the randomized center idea. I've went over them, but I guess I'll summarize them here:
1) It further levels the playing field. Handicap is great for leveling experience, but having to bowl at a center you are not used to can further level the playing field, especially for those people that have very favorable home centers or have been bowling in multiple leagues at a center for many years.
So why have their centers eligible with the 10 pin deduction? Answer: The fear was, that for some areas...if we excluded home centers, due to lack of viable centers, there wouldn't be enough centers.
2) It creates a "tournament environment". Ideally we'd all meet in person at ONE location...playing field leveled...everyone playing under the same conditions. Since this is a "virtual" tournament...we can't do that. So we have to find a way to give the bowler that same "feel" of showing up in a strange place and bowling against strangers on a lane you have limited knowledge of. That requires making the participants go somewhere other than their home center(s).
3) It adds adventure and a challenge to what otherwise would be just people bowling in their leagues and reporting their scores. I know many of us are "old foggees"...but sometimes it's exciting to get out of that usual routine and do something a little different.
4) It limits cheating in 2 ways. First, you won't necessarily have a relationship with the alley...so they're less likely to help you cheat. Second, it's unlikely that you're going to drive over 20 miles to a strange center, bowl, then decide 2 days later you didn't like those scores and bowl again (because you'd have to make another trip). It certainly doesn't erase the potential for cheating or solve it...just further helps to avoid it.
5) Early on, it was an idea that would allow those of us near each other to bowl against each other. Now, participation was less than hoped for so many people will be bowling solo...but for the California contingent...it gives us a way to meet each other in person, on a neutral site. And I have always strongly contended that there is value in that...both because it limits the potential for cheating (adds a witness) AND because it allows us all to meet each other and be "friends"...it puts a username with a face.
Take the 1st Annual.....blah blah blah...long name Invitational for example. Having Mike bowl on a lane he was not familiar with...absolutely leveled the playing field. Now, Mike is a better bowler than me and Zdawg...so he adjusted quicker and turned out a decent Game 2 and Game 3. It also allowed us to all meet each other and (even though you'd never guess based on Mike torturing me constantly) become "friendly". And...there was no cheating...couldn't have been any...3 players = 2 witnesses and the whole thing was videotaped.
If April were not a shortened month with a holiday wedged in there...I'd have even considered driving to San Diego to face ZDawg on his home alley...just can't do it this month. Had he drawn a center outside San Diego proper...I probably would have joined him in person.....it's just more FUN to bowl WITH someone than by yourself like a hermit.
Now, if there's a Season 2...is the new Director going to keep the random center concept? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not, maybe they change it a little...it's all good. But there is a METHOD behind the MADNESS...it's not just a rule quirk designed to get classygranny to quit. : ) And I DO still believe that if everyone gives it a shot...they may actually LIKE it. I know traffic sucks...I live in Orange County, CA....I had to bowl yesterday because on a weekday getting to Chino Hills between 3:30PM and 7:30PM would take 3 hours despite it being roughly 18 miles from my house. I GET IT....but I worked around it...and while I wasn't happy with the way I bowled...it was an interesting experience. I've driven by that center about 45 times and never even noticed it! It was a little too "fancy" for my tastes...but it was a very nice place.
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People already stated which centers they bowl leagues in, other centers you could take it were not as familiar to them as they likely do not bowl there at all or even often.
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Misquoting me is not helping you win. Go bowl or something.
The new contestants/participants have been added and everything is set for this ever-expanding 14-person tour.
Now that all the work has been done....I think I'll do some actual bowling tonight and get some practice in.
Are you going to fix the incorrectly calculated averages?
Or are you to busy to do things correctly?
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