1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[zdawg]

Allowing someone to use league scores, gives them 4 chances per month to essentially bowl "best of 4 series" That is a HUGE advantage! Granted, a person could cheat and do that by bowling at a center multiple times and then reporting their best series....but everyone is on the honor system in that regard. So no, sorry...no league scores. Hopefully bowling at your center, less pressure than leagues, and with a full game warm-up will actually give you better scores...but if it doesn't...thats bowling.

Cool no worries, I'll get it done this weekend if not tomorrow.

[Aslan]

Cool no worries, I'll get it done this weekend if not tomorrow.

Great.

One of the other reasons I liked the random center idea is if you got a center 35 miles away that you would usually never bowl at....even if you bowl terribly...you probably aint makin another 35 mile trip later in the month to cheat and "re-try". But yeah...using league scores would make it too complex because you'd have to specify a certain time in advance that you were using "X week's league scores". Not as much of an issue in April, because it was a shortened month...but going forward.

[classygranny]

I understand about the league issue, but what about taking a friend to bowl along with you? Sometimes if I had to travel far - or to a part of town I don't normally get to very often, it would be nice to call up a friend and say...meet me, let's bowl.

[Aslan]

I understand about the league issue, but what about taking a friend to bowl along with you? Sometimes if I had to travel far - or to a part of town I don't normally get to very often, it would be nice to call up a friend and say...meet me, let's bowl.

Absolutely no rule against that. As long as both players aren't named "classygranny"...seems like a perfectly good idea. If I had a friend....I'd take them with me bowling.

[Mike White]

Great.

One of the other reasons I liked the random center idea is if you got a center 35 miles away that you would usually never bowl at....even if you bowl terribly...you probably aint makin another 35 mile trip later in the month to cheat and "re-try". But yeah...using league scores would make it too complex because you'd have to specify a certain time in advance that you were using "X week's league scores". Not as much of an issue in April, because it was a shortened month...but going forward.

How about if I go to the assigned house, there are leagues going on, and someone needs a sub.

Can those scores count?

[classygranny]

Someone, quick - please remind me WHY I drove an hour and a half, bowled in a house that apparently doesn't believe in air conditioning or fans when it's 90 degrees outside, and bowled like...well insert your own word here. BTW - vdubtx, don't I get extra handicap 'cuz I'm a girl? or better yet, "an old lady" and believe me, after that bowling, I really am feeling my age. Earlier I thought Aslan was crazy when he said there was an advantage to bowling with competitors. I needed something - even if it just slowed my pace down. I really am going to have to concentrate on the "pace".

Well, the good thing is (or bad thing) - I just realized these are the lanes we are going to bowl a tournament in late June. Hope the AC is on...lol.

First session of my Virtual Tour complete - analysis: It was very interesting, and humbling.

[Mudpuppy]

How about if I go to the assigned house, there are leagues going on, and someone needs a sub.

Can those scores count?

I vote no - that is league related again

6 house rule for May and possibly remainder of the season I vote yes - great compromise

Been busy with work and home and a million other things so haven't had time to get on here the last few days. Planning on bowling this weekend. I might skate out of work early tomorrow and throw my games. Dinner at the bowing alley - wouldn't be a first or a last. Wife and kids are out of time so I have some free time. Otherwise I will fit it in between hockey, motorcycle open house, baseball practice and getting the bike going this weekend. Plan c is to do it on Monday afternoon.

[Mike White]

I vote no - that is league related again

How exactly is this "league related".

There is no difference between me trying to sub multiple times, and submitting my best, and me open bowling multiple times and submitting my best.
In either situation, the tour is relying on our honor.

The "complex" league problem is simply solved by announcing before the beginning of the month, the date of the first league session.
The printout would have that date on it otherwise no entry for that month.

If there was some issue, a message posted to the board before the start of that session, indicating that the person wasn't going to bowl at that time, and the time of the next league session would be listed.

The side benefit of using league scores, is the other people in the league police the rules, such as fixing scores when balls bounce out of gutters.

[noeymc]

i agree with mike if we do it and they dont post there scores from that night they must do open but going to open bowling can be harder cuz you never no what you will run into on the lanes

[Aslan]

but going to open bowling can be harder cuz you never no what you will run into on the lanes

ding ding ding. Give the kid a cookie.

THATs the point. It's HARDER.

I don't disagree with Mike about the sub situation...I just think it's very unlikely for nearly all participants that they would draw a center and become a sub for a month. Mike, maybe vdub....maybe some of our other higher average bowlers may have good relationships with multiple sites...so they may be able to do something like that. But I'm not calling the league office at Chapparal 300 and telling them I'm interested in being a league sub....but only for the month of April. That doesn't make any sense.

But yes, technically subbing and open bowling would be the same thing in theory. The main DIFFERENCE....is like noeymc eluded to...bowling in leagues guarantees you league conditions. You have a freshly oiled lane. Open bowling, rarely do you know when the last time it was oiled...so you take what you get. For higher average bowlers, this penalizes them because they can't just "get into their groove". On the other hand, as we saw in the Invitational, higher average bowlers do have the advantage of being able to "adjust" quicker...thus get dialed in faster.

I've found that the higher average bowlers are the ones LEAST likely to accept change. Much of their average/strategy/experience is tied to a knowledge of a certain house and a certain condition. They tend to have much more to lose when that changes than does a beginner that will throw badly on any condition.

But...to keep the playing field level...it should be an open bowling situation and we should try and stay clear of "leagues". "Could" we do a system where you declare that you will use your league scores the 3rd week of the month...prior to that that 3rd week? I suppose. But what happens if the day after that 3rd week, the bowler claims they had to miss that night because they got ill? Now I have to verify that a bowler DIDN'T bowl...AND verify the scores in week 4 when they DO bowl. It's just adding more confusion/work for the sake of the "convenience factor".

GLORY is not convenient people!! Do you think it was "convenient" to drive to the middle nowhere, in a driving rainstorm, with my bowels full and needing a restroom badly...forcing me to buy a cookie at Del Taco so they'd allow me to use their restroom??? Just so I could DOMINATE the 1st Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Southern California Aslan vs. Zdawg Invitational Tournament???? No...it wasn't "convenient". But GLORY isn't convenient. You want "convenient"....stay home and knit a toaster cozy. Sit there in your favorite recliner...wearing one of those stupid Snuggies...watching old Matlock episodes. No glory for you!!! Iceman...back me up!