A sure sign of the apocalypse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbU2UzyD5yMOriginally Posted by Aslan
I'll take your word for it.
And why do you regret using those phrases?? I think you've done a good job at at the LEAST getting people to explore the value of starting your had on the inside quadrant (aka modern release-esque).
As you know from having seen me bowl in person, I really struggle with the modern release and keeping my hand behind the ball. I find that when I focus on keeping my hand behind the ball...I roll a straight end over end type ball that some people roll purposely when they want a modern ball to go straight.
Now, it's never quite simple in this seemingly simple game we've chosen.
1) The ball also goes straight because it's going 20ft down the lane before landing...
2) The ball is also going straight because at 21-22mph...I'm not giving it a chance to move...
3) Sometimes when I "stay behind the ball" I am breaking my wrist (opposite of cupping it) which is defeating the purpose...
4) Etc....(because I'm sure I'm missing at least one other stupid thing I do that isn't right)
And thats also why in the OP I mentioned that while I think his and my swings are very similar...he is doing at LEAST 3 very important things that make his WAAAY better:
1) He doesn't have my weird 2nd crossover-sideways step...much more straightforward...and I have to think that helps his timing be much, much, much better than mine. And, less moving parts, right?
2) He has more forward spine tilt...almost effortless forward spine tilt. I started out as a straight up and down bowler posting to the ceiling. I have tried to break that habit...but it's not effortless for me the way it appears to be for WRW. Which is another reason why I struggle with higher loft...because I'm trying to stand straight up as I follow through which is "lifting" the ball (unless I can set it down sooner in the swing).
3) He sets that ball down midway between the foul line and dots...and it sets down perfectly like it's on a track. Not to mention, in that video he is playing the 1-2 boards...which...MAD PROPS!! I love playing the outside like the guys did back in the late 80s and early 90s...but I don't have WRW accuracy so if I get outside the 4-board...my ball is going to gutter at least 1-3 times...and I'm going to be so scared of that gutter...so I'm gonna pull at least a few shots in that game.
But, I like it. I like seeing that (WRWs) more than say a Rhino Page...because I can see myself emulating a WRW type form more so than a Rhino Page. Obviously, I'm not close yet. I have lots of stuff to work on. But I think there's a lot of us strokers out there in the bowling universe that still bring our hand up the side of the ball....and I guess seeing a WRW keeps us from getting discouraged and abandoning our game for thumbless or 2-handed.
A sure sign of the apocalypse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbU2UzyD5yM
John
Well, I don't have a magical coaches eye, but I do have a pause button and the ability to screen capture.
Thumb is just starting to exit the ball here, he's above the equator and already coming around the side of the ball.
Not behind in any way, shape, or form.
But feel free to tell me what I'm not seeing.
If this was a house bowler, his fingers would be 2" up and 1 1/2" to the right. Believe me, I've seen it.
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Granted, he is treating it like a joke…which is what 2-handed bowling is.
Hey…how did you trick me into that debate!!? No fair using my bowling idol against me!!
maybe a 160 avg bowler but once you have a 180 -220 avg your getting behind the ball more and more
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At one point I took a photograph of the hand position of a 220 average bowler. I'll try to locate it and post it. 180-220 average bowlers are not necessarily more behind the ball, if they bowl on a THS.
I hope you didn't take a picture of my hand position...we don't need to scare the children.
I give up. Does he?
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Who cares if he has a modern release or doesn't. He bowls in a way that works for him. Other pro bowlers use the modern technique and that works for them. For an example let's take Chris Barnes. From what I can see he has become a pretty good bowler himself and he doesn't bowl like Walter Ray. Some of you guys get so bent out of shape because one person sees a video of someone one way and you see something else. Somehow it ends up in an argument. I got an idea. Bowl how you want to bowl. Stay behind the ball when you reach the
release area or have your hand on the side of the ball like a suitcase release. Wer all bowl different. We might not bowl with a pro technique
but we do the best we can.
Some here don't want to learn the correct way to bowl and say they have a better way then what some coaches show. I notice some folks here give sarcastic replies to someone elses reply. We all have different opinions of what exactly we see in the same video viewed by other folks. If you see something else in a video then someone else and you think that you are right then good for you. That doesn't make the other person wrong. So if you think you are right and someone else is wrong then do it your way and good luck. So I think Walter Ray is a
great bowler doing it his way. So ignore everyone elses advice on how to bowl and go with the idea that you know better then anyone else.
By the way. I am trying to get the modern way of bowling down pat. I hope Walter Ray won't get mad at me and tell me to bowl his way.
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